1. Limited time only! Sign up for a free 30min personal tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Direction of magnetic field

  1. Jun 23, 2017 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    A particle of mass 0.195 g carries a charge of -2.50 x 10-8C. The particle is given an initial horizontal velocity that is due north and has magnitude 4.00 x 104 m/s. What are the magnitude and direction of the minimum magnetic field that will keep the particle moving in the earth's gravitational field in the same horizontal, northward direction?

    2. Relevant equations
    F = |q|vperpendicularB = |q|vBsin##\theta##
    ##\vec F = q\vec v x \vec B##

    3. The attempt at a solution
    For magnitude,

    F = mg = |q|vB

    ##(.195 x 10^{-3})(9.81) = (2.50*10^{-8})(4.00*10^4)(B)##
    ##B = \frac {.195 x 10^{-3})(9.81)} (2.50*10^{-8})(4.00*10^4)(B)##
    ##B = 1.91 T##

    the magnetic field is always perpendicular to the velocity, and since velocity is north, the magnetic field is east or west. But how do I choose east or west?
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Jun 23, 2017 #2

    TSny

    User Avatar
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    Looks good.

    In general, the B field is not required to be perpendicular to the velocity. In this problem, there is a particular reason why you want B to be perpendicular to the velocity. Can you state the reason?

    East and west are not the only directions that are perpendicular to north.

    The magnetic force must be in what direction? Choose the direction of B so that the force will have this direction.
     
  4. Jun 23, 2017 #3
    oops..I read the book wrong.
    It says the direction of the force is always perpendicular to the velocity vector and B field. And I realize that if the z-axis is north, then any vector on the x-y plane is perpendicular to north.

    By making the angle 90 degrees, we get the maximum magnitude of the force. So should I have chosen an angle like 1 degrees to find the minimum magnitude, since the question asks for the minimum?

    I need the magnetic force to cancel out the force of gravity.
    so ## \vec F_g + \vec F_b = 0##
    ##\vec F_g = (9.81)(.195*10^{-3}) > 0##
    so ##\vec F_b < 0##

    ##\vec F_b = q\vec v x \vec B##
    ##\vec F_b = (-2.50 * 10^{-8}(4.00 *10^4) x (\pm 1.91) < 0##
    So B must be positive. So the B field is in the positive direction..
     
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2017
  5. Jun 23, 2017 #4

    TSny

    User Avatar
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    Yes, good.

    You know the magnitude of the magnetic force that is required. You want to get that much force using the smallest possible magnitude of B field. So, you should think about the angle that will allow you to get the required amount of force using the smallest B field.

    You can't get the direction of B by just using + and - signs to indicate direction. Use the right hand rule for relating the direction of force and the direction of the B field.
     
  6. Jun 24, 2017 #5
    Ok I think i get it,

    We if ##sin(\theta)## gets smaller, B has to get bigger because q is constant so B or v would have to get bigger. So by making ##sin(\theta)## as big as possible, B and v will be as small as possible.

    My attempt at right hand rule: thumb points up toward ceiling(velocity); I turned my palm toward the ceiling(magnetic force); fingers point away from me, so they are pointing westward, so the direction of the B field is west.

    Just to confirm.. my thumb is now pointing right. So this means "right" represents North and my fingers represent West.
     
  7. Jun 24, 2017 #6

    TSny

    User Avatar
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    I think you almost have it, except don't forget that your point charge is negative.
     
  8. Jun 24, 2017 #7
    The magnitude of ##F_b## is positive.. but since there was a negative point charge, the direction of ##F_b## is down.. so doing right hand rule, my fingers point East.. so the B field is in the East direction.
     
  9. Jun 24, 2017 #8

    TSny

    User Avatar
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    I'm not sure I follow your statements here.

    Yes.
     
  10. Jun 24, 2017 #9
    What I meant is, I had the force direction as up. toward the ceiling. So when I did the right hand rule, my palm was facing toward the ceiling.
    I did this with the charge as positive. But the charge is negative, so I read the force is pointing in the opposite direction. So then I put my palm facing toward the floor, and that made my fingers point East.
     
  11. Jun 24, 2017 #10

    TSny

    User Avatar
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    OK. Sounds good.
     
  12. Jun 24, 2017 #11
    Thanks for your help
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?
Draft saved Draft deleted



Similar Discussions: Direction of magnetic field
Loading...