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Dirnk-Drunk; A-Z issues,

  1. May 2, 2005 #1
    Ok ppl,
    Just its me, Moses, that i never drink a sip of alcohol, nor i wil try for XYZ reasons..

    However, i am very curios to know some stuff abuot drunk issue; and i guess others may be having some questions as well so they can put it here to get more 'expeirenced'

    so my first trivial questions that oucld sound silly or stupid since i have almost 00.00 experince i nthe issue, and few knowledge;

    Is drunk persons making mistakes or 'un-supposed' stuff just becuase they fee liky 'sleepy', or they realy 'lost thier minds'? [i know how it is when i feel sleepy :biggrin: . Further, is every thing she/he do in 'drunk' mode could have a very seruios connection with his 'sober mode' [e.g. telling he hatse this person, telling he had bla bla secret, making out/pulling someone becuase he find attractive. Taking 'adventures' like juping from high becuase he feel like it...etc]

    Thanks in advance :biggrin: :bugeye:
     
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  3. May 2, 2005 #2

    brewnog

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    In small doses (Blood Alcohol Concentration - milligrams per decilitre = 50), the effects include mild relaxation, and a slight loss of inhibitions. The user may be more talkative, and have increased confidence. A feeling of wellbeing and warmth often sets in here.

    Increased doses (BAC 100) tend to produce impaired judgement and decreased attention. Muscular performance may be slightly impaired, and refleces may slow. At this level, intoxiation shows in most people. A feeling of wellbeing often accompanies this stage.

    At higher doses still (BAC 150), intoxication is obvious in all normal people. Motor functions may be moderately impaired, with a loss of muscular coordination. Speech may be slurred, double vision may occur and the user may experience loss of memory.

    More booze (BAC 250), and the user may lose some responses to stimuli. Standing becomes difficult, and vomiting is likely. The user becomes very drowsy.

    BAC 350, the user will slip into a coma. Little or no response to stimuli occurs, the body temperature drops, the user may become incontinent. Blood pressure drops, and you might well piss yourself.

    BAC of 500 and there's a risk of death.



    Alcohol isn't usually associated with making people 'lose their minds', but confidence is increased and judgement impaired, which might cause you to do things which you wouldn't do sober. This is why drink driving is dangerous, stupid, and illegal. Common sense is often still present, but your views of what's acceptable and what's not might change.




    I'll refer you to my favourite source of information on drugs. It's very unbiased and impartial, and has some user experiences for people to read before they try anything new.

    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/alcohol_info2.shtml
     
  4. May 2, 2005 #3

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    I've always felt that people let their "real" personalities slip out when they are drunk. When they are sober, they are able to keep themselves in check, not be social morons, not be rude or violent or obnoxious, but when they drink, they lose the ability to consciously control these behaviors.

    I become even more boring when I drink. :redface:
     
  5. May 2, 2005 #4

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    I'm not sure that it's right to say that the person you see when drunk is the 'real' person. Perhaps more that they express one side of their personality more when drunk, while repressing another.
     
  6. May 2, 2005 #5

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    That might be a better way to look at it. I find that when people get drunk they exhibit the same behavior every time they get drunk. It's not like they might be obnoxious or violent one time then be sweet and loving the next time they get drunk.

    One of my girlfriends would get overly emotional and cry about relationships every time she got drunk. Another would get very flirtatious every time. A guy I knew would always try to start fist fights. You always knew what to expect from each person every time they'd drink.
     
  7. May 2, 2005 #6

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    I'm not very fun when drunk. I just get sleepy and lose the ability to thermoregulate, so go from being too hot to shivering and back again over a matter of minutes. The only inhibition I seem to lose when drunk is the one that would normally keep me from lying down on a couch in the middle of a party and taking a nap. I'm more fun when sober (it actually drives me nuts when there's good music for dancing and I can't get anyone to dance with me because they want a few more drinks to be able to dance because they are for some reason inhibited about dancing :grumpy:).
     
  8. May 2, 2005 #7

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    I lose the ability to say 'no' when I'm drunk. I find it hard not to tap people on the shoulder, and then crouch down behind them so that when they turn round there's nobody there. My singing improves drastically when I'm drunk, so much so that I can sing along to Sweet Child O' Mine and sound exactly like Axl Rose. After about 7 pints, everyone loves me. Everyone is my friend. Even the bouncers. Especially the bouncers. I can always tell how drunk I am by noting how many random girls look sexier than my girlfriend.


    Seriously though, it's quite scary to note just how often urm, certain people have been to that coma state. Getting drunk is one of those self-sustaining processes; when you're twatted it always makes sense to have another drink.
     
  9. May 2, 2005 #8
    I say this with a lot of experience with this issue :biggrin: (fun college days). When you are the right amount of drunk, you feel like a million dollars. Your inhibitions are lowered and you do things that you wouldn't normally do if you weren't drunk like talk to that girl you have a secret crush on, go dancing, etc. Wine supposedly makes you tell the truth, which I really think it does from experience as well. Honestly 95% of people don't like the taste of alcohol, they are just used to it. The reason why so many people drink is because of the way you feel. You become more relaxed and open.
     
  10. May 2, 2005 #9

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    So, when we drink, I'm a bore, Moonbear's lethargic and cold, and Brewnog is a fun loving, rock star singer with lust in his heart. :grumpy:
     
  11. May 2, 2005 #10

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    Yep, doesn't seem fair, does it? Just when he gets warmed up, we turn cold and boring. :frown:
     
  12. May 2, 2005 #11
    I'm usually just me but more talkative (I tend to be quiet and shy). Sometimes I get depressed, sometimes really happy, sometimes just sleepy. Often I start to speak with an accent. It's the same every time but it's not an actual accent of any particular country just me trying to make the slur in my speech sound intentional I guess lol.
     
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  13. May 3, 2005 #12
    lol so far i got decent responses, more wont hurt of course :approve:

    So let me exam some situiations i saw and you give me your comment wise(wo)men:

    My friend last friday was really drunk, i was packing up to go back home after uni. Another friend come to room, told the othe guy to jump on my bed, despite my roomate knows its a red line he did it. The point is not here, but in the next: The other guy from the outside told him to jump and land on his shoulder, and my loser roomate did! ending up breaking his shoulder, we left him to the hospital with the fake ID in his pocket [he is 20 btw] and with the alcoholic perfume out of his mouth, but doctors were nice and dont tell the police...

    So so so; i am not mean, but i think even if he was drunk, he wont do such a stupid thing! but it was a stupid thing to do under a cover of [drunk] excuse, or i could be wrong?
     
  14. May 3, 2005 #13

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    No, he likely did it because he was drunk enough to be stupid. I don't lose inhibitions about things like that when I'm drunk, but I've known plenty of people who do. The part of your brain that tells you something is a dumb idea is not working normally.
     
  15. May 3, 2005 #14
    So why the goverment ban weed?

    lol, i am really going confused! At my high school in UK. there was 40% of the school smoking weed, and they do many [un-logical] stuff like that [but honestly, if you see magic mushrooms its even much more] but that was weed...not alcohol

    I saw people who smoke it get used to yet like alcohol i.e. they have different [level] of weed in thier blood in order to get high ...etc and some times they smoke without going high that much. So what is the critical differnce between the effect of alcohol and weed? Is any drunkness from any alcohol kind like beer of Vodka is the same at the end?

    i know i might be gion cheesy, but i do really wanna know. Off-track already in experience, but want on-track in this science.

    [Biology Gurus help wont hurt, its some-how a biological issue as well]
     
  16. May 3, 2005 #15

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    Yes, all sources of alcohol are the same, though you need to drink different volumes for the same effect because the concentration of alcohol is different

    Many drugs of abuse (including alcohol) work through similar mechanisms in the brain. There are of course ones that are different as well, which leads to different effects (i.e., stimulants vs depressants).

    As for why alcohol is legal and weed isn't, it's mostly political reasons.
     
  17. May 3, 2005 #16

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    I didn't mean to imply that any random personality trait would be exaggerated. You are right in saying that it is normally the same ones- Loudness, violence, emtionalness, promiscuity etc
     
  18. May 3, 2005 #17
    I agree with moonbear that the reason for the legal issues is political. But from personal experience I would like to say that the effects of alcohol, weed and magic mushrooms are extremely different. This is probably because of the different mechanisms within your brain that are affected by the different substances.

    Especially the mushrooms are enormously different. They give you some sort of extremely real-feeling experience, I felt the experiences I had were so much more real and clear than any I had ever before. It really felt magical and extremely peaceful (for me personally it also gave a feeling of being connected with nature in every sense possible; I only used it while being in the middle of the woods on nice sunny days with good friends). I do not think such feelings can be clearly described to anyone who has not experienced them. There were times I just did not care whether I were the trees and grasses around me, or just me. It just did not seem to make any difference. The feeling of self seemed to be totally loose, I could attach it to anything I was experiencing, be it my own bodily feelings or the visual input from my surroundings, all seemed equally important, there was no clear distinction between self and other anymore. To me those are the most extreme experiences I have ever had, and I feel they are not in the slightest way comparable to the effects of weed an alcohol.

    Weed did gave me a certain intellectual kind of highness, I still wanted to be active, talk about things, process ideas, discuss them with people in my surroundings, look at interesting things etc. It felt stimulating and it seemed to open new directions of thought (it is important I think that it is not mixed with tobacco, and certainly not with alcohol).

    Alcohol always seemed to have effects like slowing you down, making you less inhibited in a more animalistic way and specifically to be numbing the senses.
     
  19. May 3, 2005 #18
    Can u give me a rough guestemite as to how many pints of beer (about 5%) this would be?

    And when i get really drunk i dont just sing like axl rose, i dance like him too!
     
  20. May 3, 2005 #19

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    Come on! As if you don't already know!

    The source I got those from suggests that the average human metabolises 8.5g of alcohol per hour (which is just under a pint of beer), although this is obviously very sensitive to a LOT of other factors. It suggests that 2 quickly consumed 'drinks' may produce a BAC of 50mg/dL, which seems to make sense.

    We should go out drinking some time, we'd be quids in! Next time you're in Manchester...
     
  21. May 3, 2005 #20

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    Drunk personalities can change. Personal experience. In my youth I was a happy drunk. Some what later after some hard bits of life experience, I got drunk and felt, a angry melancholy drunk coming on. I have not been drunk since (that was 1987). While I still enjoy an occasional pint of a good micro brew or a glass of nice wine, I will not drink to excess as I no longer can be sure who is lurking in the shadows.
     
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