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To me physics is nothing but descriptions or, models to observed events. So what tells us that things must obey these descriptions, is there any logic that tells us that a event disobeying these "laws" cannot exist?
We break scientific "laws" often, laws can change. Newton's "law of gravity" has been modified under conditions in a vacuum, then also Einstein changed our conception of gravity laws. Even legal "laws" change.Wishbone said:...is there any logic that tells us that a event disobeying these "laws" cannot exist?
Wishbone said:To me physics is nothing but descriptions or, models to observed events. So what tells us that things must obey these descriptions, is there any logic that tells us that a event disobeying these "laws" cannot exist?
franznietzsche said:Well you can go ahead and try to violate the 'law of gravity', but you'll be in for a rude awakening after jumping out of the plane without a parachute when you find that in fact, gravity is quite real.
The logic telling us that you can't violate the 'laws of physics' is inductive. Everything we observe follows certain rules. It stands to reason then that those things we don't observe follow the same rules, even though we're not watching.
Wishbone said:To me physics is nothing but descriptions or, models to observed events. So what tells us that things must obey these descriptions, is there any logic that tells us that a event disobeying these "laws" cannot exist?
Wishbone said:See I disagree, I am simply saying in the everyday observable universe, there is absolutley nothing, that stops us from breaking the laws of physics. Simply because the laws of physics say nothing about their own validity. They are simply observations that are written down in mathematical form. *** They always do work out, and we really haven't proved that we see something breaking the descriptions of physics, but that does not take away the fact they are not absolute rules.
emrandel said:There in the part of the quote where there you see the "***" you flip-flop. If you were to divide both those sections into two different point-of-views they would both be valid, yet you contradict yourself? Maybe a mere typo, it's hard to say. Ignoring this descrepancy, well said.
Wishbone said:See I disagree, I am simply saying in the everyday observable universe, there is absolutley nothing, that stops us from breaking the laws of physics. Simply because the laws of physics say nothing about their own validity. They are simply observations that are written down in mathematical form. They always do work out, and we really haven't proved that we see something breaking the descriptions of physics, but that does not take away the fact they are not absolute rules.
Wishbone said:and that proves they are ubreakable?
Pengwuino said:The burden of proof is on you. Prove they are breakable.
Wishbone said:no my not being able to break them proves I do not know how to break them, not that they are unbreakable.
Pengwuino said:You must figure out a reason as to WHY they CAN be broken that isn't based upon simple opinion.
Wishbone said:I have stated such reasons.
There is nothing that tells us 'things must obey these descriptions' absolutely every single time. This is the big difference between science and other explanations (ie religion) for the state of the world around us. Scientific theories must be falsifiable. When we observe something which appears to violate the laws of physics, we test to see if the violation is repeatable. If it is, then we recognize that our laws provide an incomplete description of some event, so we modify our laws.Wishbone said:So what tells us that things must obey these descriptions, is there any logic that tells us that a event disobeying these "laws" cannot exist?
There is nothing obeying anything. We attempt to draw a certain level of abstraction based upon observations and call these patterns laws.Wishbone said:To me physics is nothing but descriptions or, models to observed events. So what tells us that things must obey these descriptions, is there any logic that tells us that a event disobeying these "laws" cannot exist?
Is this like- if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, did it make a sound?franznietzsche said:The logic telling us that you can't violate the 'laws of physics' is inductive. Everything we observe follows certain rules. It stands to reason then that those things we don't observe follow the same rules, even though we're not watching.
Agent C.I said:now it is known that certain "retarded" people can actually deify the natural laws around them...for instances there was a retarded person who could actually clime up and down walls, his brain wasn’t able to comprehend he wasn’t able to accomplish this, so that limitation didn’t exist for him and through the way his brain interpreted the situation, he was able to defy the law of gravity...thus allowing him to walk up and down walls and ceilings...
No, while physics is a fundamental and highly respected discipline, there are many other branches of science that also hold authority and contribute to our understanding of the world.
No, there are still many phenomena and questions that remain unanswered by physics. Additionally, there are limitations to what can be explained by physics alone, as it is just one lens through which we can view the world.
Physics is often considered the ultimate authority because it is based on fundamental laws and principles that govern the behavior of the universe. It also has a strong track record of making accurate predictions and providing explanations for a wide range of phenomena.
Yes, while physics can provide valuable insights and explanations, it is not the only way of understanding the world. There are also philosophical, cultural, and ethical considerations that may not fall under the purview of physics.
Physics has a profound impact on our everyday lives, from the technology we use to the laws that govern our physical environment. It helps us understand and manipulate the world around us, and has led to countless advancements in fields such as medicine, engineering, and transportation.