What percentage of Americans believe in ghosts?

[EL]

a MWI!

That is so BGOIYT!

 

[rewebster]

Where is MIH when there's a job to do?

 

[EL]

Where is MIH when there's a job to do?

Mullerian Inhibiting Hormone?

 

[zoobyshoe]

What's the hawk story? Somehow I missed that completely.

 

[Math Is Hard]

It curled up immediately after it had jumped.

Too complicated. I say poltergeist.

 

[EL]

Too complicated. I say poltergeist.

 

[out of whack]

Too complicated. I say poltergeist.

Martians. MARTIANS!

 

[zoobyshoe]

I will point out that eyewitness accounts of events are actually the least accurate and reliable sources of data and information.

In conjunction with UFO sightings there was a filmed test of this on the History Channel a couple years back. Nature hikers being lead on a walk suddenly encountered a taped off area where military personnel told them there was a "downed craft" up ahead and they weren't allowed to go any further. The group leader and military guys were part of a staged scenario, of course. The encounter was taped and the hikers were later interviewed about what had transpired. None of their stories faithfully matched what was recorded on the tape, and one woman claimed the crashed craft was actually visible in the distance, when in fact, there was no such thing there.

 

[EL]

Martians. MARTIANS!

For gods sake, they are not invisible! (At least not the ones I've met.)

 

[out of whack]

For gods sake, they are not invisible! (At least not the ones I've met.)

Of course not, that would be absurd. It's when they turn on their mind-controlling rays that they block your ability to see them, so you should always wear a tin-foil helmet.

None of their stories faithfully matched what was recorded on the tape

No kidding. Witnesses, even reputable and respected members of society, are notoriously unreliable. I understand this is a recognized problem in criminology: criminal trials are strongly based on eyewitness accounts and unfortunately people have a habit of honestly believing seeing things that never happened, forgetting events that did and/or misjudging what they saw. Our mind seems to work to ensure that our perceptions are consistent with each other and it can be impossible to distinguish between images truly received and those that were self-generated. If a cat suddenly jumps sideways because of a static spark on its muzzle or whatever then the legs must be extended. But if the last direct (non-peripheral) image of the cat was in a recoiled position, this image could be the one retained by a witness. A different witness would not see the legs of a cat moving sideways in her general direction but could readily accept the testimony of the first one to the point of remembering seeing it too. And if both witnesses already believe that things move on their own in the house instead of being misplaced at times or nudged by a hyperactive cat at other times, well a spooky perception of events can result.

You're ruining my cat story.

No, no, we're embellishing it with errant speculations of a different nature. It gives you more topics to discuss the next time you tell the story. But stick to the original version around the campfire.

 

[zoobyshoe]

No kidding. Witnesses, even reputable and respected members of society, are notoriously unreliable. I understand this is a recognized problem in criminology: criminal trials are strongly based on eyewitness accounts and unfortunately people have a habit of honestly believing seeing things that never happened, forgetting events that did and/or misjudging what they saw. Our mind seems to work to ensure that our perceptions are consistent with each other and it can be impossible to distinguish between images truly received and those that were self-generated. If a cat suddenly jumps sideways because of a static spark on its muzzle or whatever then the legs must be extended. But if the last direct (non-peripheral) image of the cat was in a recoiled position, this image could be the one retained by a witness. A different witness would not see the legs of a cat moving sideways in her general direction but could readily accept the testimony of the first one to the point of remembering seeing it too. And if both witnesses already believe that things move on their own in the house instead of being misplaced at times or nudged by a hyperactive cat at other times, well a spooky perception of events can result.

Neurologist Oliver Sacks once broke his leg running in terror away from an hallucination. He was hiking up a mountain where there was known to be a wild bull which had attacked people. He put that out of his mind, thinking the danger of an encounter was slim. However...

"I had, indeed, just emerged from the mist, and was walking around a boulder as big as a house, the path curving around it so I could not see ahead, and it was this inability to see ahead which permitted The Meeting. I practically trod on what lay before me-an enormous animal sitting in the path, and indeed totally occupying the path, whose presence had been hidden by the rounded bulk of the rock. It had a huge horned head, a stupendous white body and an enormous mild, milk-white face. It sat unmoved by my appearance, exceedingly calm, except that it turned its vast white face up towards me. And in that moment it changed, before my eyes, becoming transformed from magnificent to utterly monstrous. The huge white face seemed to swell and swell, and the great bulbous eyes became radiant with malignance. The face grew huger and huger all the time, until I thought it would blot out the Universe. The bull became hideous, hideous beyond belief, hideous in strength, malevolence and cunning. It seemed now to be stamped with the infernal in every feature. It became first a monster, and now the Devil."

A Leg To Stand On
-Oliver Sacks
Harper Perennial, 1984, page 20

(The upshot was that he turned and ran so recklessly away that he tripped down an incline and suffered a massive injury to one leg. The rest of the book is about, roughly, what it's like for a doctor to become a patient.)

Startle, not to mention outright fear, can do an amazing number on your perceptions.

 

[rewebster]

funny thing about ghosts and spirits (and most, if at all of those other 'mystical' things/occurrences)---they only happen when there's only one or two people around, they don't they much evidence, and ya' never have a camera when they do happen--

--I think it's a conspiritcy

 

[Evo]

Are you saying my hawk wasn't real?

 

[out of whack]

Are you saying my hawk wasn't real?

Were you wearing your tinfoil helmet at the time?

 

[zoobyshoe]

Are you saying my hawk wasn't real?

Link me to the hawk story. I haven't heard that one.

 

[Evo]

Were you wearing your tinfoil helmet at the time?

Never without it.

 

[Evo]

Link me to the hawk story. I haven't heard that one.

You mean you haven't been reading my "moving" thread? :grumpy:

It starts here. https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1475243&postcount=204

 

[rewebster]

did your hawk sound/look like this:

http://www.boredtodeath.co.uk/vid361.php

That's IT!

 

[zoobyshoe]

You mean you haven't been reading my "moving" thread? :grumpy:

It starts here. https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1475243&postcount=204

That's not a ghost story.

 

[Evo]

That's not a ghost story.

What makes you think it's not a ghost? It fits rewebster's definition.

Speaking of Ghost stories, have I mentioned I love scary ghost stories and movies? Unfortunately none are on tonight.

The Discovery Channel has documentaries on hauntings all night. I'm watching one now and it's horrible.

Ooh, the new lastest hidden Nostradamus predictions are going to be on - you guessed it, The History Channel. Hoo boy.

 

[Evo]

That's IT!

Ooops, I edited your post.

 

[Moonbear]

How many cats do you know of that jump into a box fan that's running?

If it was Ember doing it, it would not surprise me in the least. I seem to catch sight of her in mid-air on the way to lots of strange places pretty often. Right now, she's chasing a fly all over the house (I can't decide between leaving the fly to keep entertaining her, and swatting the fly so she stops driving me nuts chasing it all over the house with no consideration of what...or who...she runs across while focused on nothing but the fly). And she does have a rather uncanny ability to rapidly transition from peaceful rest to sudden airborne-ness at such minor things as the phone or doorbell ringing...or a fly buzzing overhead

 

[Moonbear]

The Discovery Channel has documentaries on hauntings all night. I'm watching one now and it's horrible.

They're all repeats too. They had the one on earlier that's all based on a little girl with an imaginary friend, and they seem to decide it's more than that because she picked out a photo of some dead guy from a stack of photos...considering they said it was the last photo in the stack, she probably decided she better pick something so the grown-ups would leave her alone. I've seen some shows where you can think, "maybe." But most of the ones that series on Discovery Channel shows, I just sit here rolling my eyes over.

Ooh, the new lastest hidden Nostradamus predictions are going to be on - you guessed it, The History Channel. Hoo boy.

Y'know, there's so much history to cover, I have to wonder why they've started doing so many shows on what seem more like Sci Fi than history. I might watch that anyway, though. Nostradamus' predictions were so vague, I'm curious to see what they're claiming they mean.

 

[Evo]

AAAACK. They show a picture of the bust of a king and the bust of a monk on pedestals and some moron goes "to me this clearly depicts the beheading of King Louie and Marie Antoinette". WHAT? WHAT?

What does a monk have to do with Marie Antoinette or the French Revolution?

And where are the people with some semblance of sanity to put things in perspective? This show is just a bunch of Nostradamus crackpots. There's not even any balance, unless the second half of the show is going to be a reality check.

Anyone else watching this?

 

[Moonbear]

I watched for a little while, and then it was just background noise while I got other things done because they totally lost my interest. I agree, it's just a bunch of Nostradamus crackpots trying to find ways to fit the verses to real events, but they have to twist the verses so much to fit it that it's beyond laughable. And trying to interpret the pictures...yeesh! They even kept saying the drawings probably weren't even done by Nostradamus, yet they seem to want to give them all predictive meaning too.

 

[Evo]

OMG, it's a free for all for crackpots! This is horrible. I think I might actually write to "The Lack of History Channel" and complain. But I can't buy air time, so I'm sure it would be a waste of my time. I can see them reading my letter and doubling over in laughter "oh look, this person thinks we care about truth or quality!". :rofl: :rofl:

 

[zoobyshoe]

OMG, it's a free for all for crackpots! This is horrible. I think I might actually write to "The Lack of History Channel" and complain. But I can't buy air time, so I'm sure it would be a waste of my time. I can see them reading my letter and doubling over in laughter "oh look, this person thinks we care about truth or quality!". :rofl: :rofl:

You're Penguino's mother.

 

[Astronuc]

Do you believe in ghosts?

No.

But my post count is now 6666! Muahahahaaaaaaaa!

 

[Astronuc]

The Discovery Channel has documentaries on hauntings all night. I'm watching one now and it's horrible.

Ooh, the new lastest hidden Nostradamus predictions are going to be on - you guessed it, The History Channel. Hoo boy.

Ummm - you really need to get out!

I just don't watch TV anymore - and these comments pretty much convince me I'm not missing anything. I thought the History Channel was about history, and TDC about science. This is really discouraging.

Oh, and I'm about to slaughter my home PC. The OS is just about totally hosed, and when I check the Tools tab on the C-drive, I discovered that the defragmentation app has been disabled (actually Windows indicates it's not installed). So the Thunder and ground shaking on the Atlantic Coast will be me going Nuclear on my PC.

Can we get a :ballistic: smiley?

 

[Chi Meson]

Oh, and I'm about to slaughter my home PC. The OS is just about totally hosed, and when I check the Tools tab on the C-drive, I discovered that the defragmentation app has been disabled (actually Windows indicates it's not installed). So the Thunder and ground shaking on the Atlantic Coast will be me going Nuclear on my PC.

Don't you think the problem might be ghosts in the machine?

(my least favorite Police album).

 

[zoobyshoe]

Don't you think the problem might be ghosts in the machine?

(my least favorite Police album).

Same here. What's your favorite?

 

[Astronuc]

Don't you think the problem might be ghosts in the machine?

(my least favorite Police album).

Hmmm. I thought Microsoft was the problem. Hmmmm.

 

[Chi Meson]

Same here. What's your favorite?

Easily Regatta de Blanc. It could be the nostalgia talking; I was 14 when it came out. Target audience!

 

[zoobyshoe]

Easily Regatta de Blanc. It could be the nostalgia talking; I was 14 when it came out. Target audience!

That's a good one. Released 18 years ago this month: Oct '79.

 

[Chi Meson]

I was 14 when it came out. Target audience!

That's a good one. Released 18 years ago this month: Oct '79.

Gosh, that makes me...ONLY 32! Yaaaaaaaaaay!