Do you feel proud to your contry?

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motai said:
Meditate.. right :rolleyes: :biggrin:

Seems more like experimentation to me :redface:.
WELL,
it is indeed :approve:
BUT... :confused: but... :confused: but... :confused:

gurkha-war-horse :confused:
 
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Since I feel the American one is the best,
And why do you feel so, and why do you think you feel so?
I feel it would benefit other countries more to adopt our system (or, perhaps, a hybrid) than others.
How do you know there is no better systems? Do you think Sweden should adopt the American system?
It gave me great pride when I visited Lithuania about 5 years ago and saw how the citizens identified with American values on government.
I thought their government was more inspired by different Western European governments. What makes it more typically American?
I don't have a clue what the average North Korean thinks about his country/situation.
Since they are tought in school to follow their wonderful and great leader I'm pretty sure they are very patriotic.
I know that if I were in such a situation, I wouldn't have much of a national identity left to feel patriotism for: in a dictatorship, the dictator is the country. And I would despise Il as much as a North Korean as I do as an American.
Sure? I think that's quite naive to think you would.
 
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EL said:
And why do you feel so, and why do you think you feel so?
That really isn't relevant - what is relevant is that I do feel this way.
How do you know there is no better systems?
The next-best systems are the ones of European countries and they don't work as well in my opinion. Socialist countries, especially, have very high unemployment rates.
Do you think Sweden should adopt the American system?
Yes.
I thought their government was more inspired by different Western European governments. What makes it more typically American?
Its more the democratic ideals than the structure. Things like less government influence (less socialism).
Since they are tought in school to follow their wonderful and great leader I'm pretty sure they are very patriotic.
That doesn't follow unless you think North Koreans are sheep who believe in their leader despite the fact that they are starving.
Sure? I think that's quite naive to think you would.
I think its naive to think that a person will mindlessly follow a system under which 20% of the country has starved to death in the past 10 years. People aren't quite that stupid.
 
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russ_watters said:
Its more the democratic ideals than the structure. Things like less government influence (less socialism).
Yet again the stupid right wing untruth.
If you hadn't noticed, russ watters, we ELECT our government, we do NOT elect the leaders of corporations with at least the same influence on our private lives as government officials.
 
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Im Proud of being born in a democratic country...Im free to to whatever i want(positive things of course), no restrictions what so ever..
The Underlining fact is, everybody is and should be proud of their country, irrespective of their cultural backgrounds..
 
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russ_watters said:
That doesn't follow unless you think North Koreans are sheep who believe in their leader despite the fact that they are starving. I think its naive to think that a person will mindlessly follow a system under which 20% of the country has starved to death in the past 10 years. People aren't quite that stupid.
Beg to differ, would suggest that the right circumstances and methods can be very effective in conditioning and submissing people to various "ideals". Don't we see that all the time everywhere rather than people displaying intelligence?
 
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Thanks for your answer. It confirmed my fears.

russ_watters said:
That really isn't relevant - what is relevant is that I do feel this way.
What? Havn't you ever thought about why you feel the way you feel? How can that be irrelevant???

The next-best systems are the ones of European countries and they don't work as well in my opinion. Socialist countries, especially, have very high unemployment rates.
So are you saying that Western European countries are socialistic? (Ok, this may be an issue if definition again.)

Yes.
So tell me, what do you know about Swedish politics?

Its more the democratic ideals than the structure. Things like less government influence (less socialism).
So are you still saying that the Lithuanian system is (or at least the people want it to be) more like the American than the Western Europeans. Is that jsut a feeling you have, or do you have any proofs for it?
(I could here also have disussed why less influence by an ELECTED government should be more democratic, but I leave that for Arildno)

That doesn't follow unless you think North Koreans are sheep who believe in their leader despite the fact that they are starving. I think its naive to think that a person will mindlessly follow a system under which 20% of the country has starved to death in the past 10 years. People aren't quite that stupid.
This has nothing to do with stupidity, as PerennialII pointed out. It has to do under what circumstances you are raised and live under. I'm pretty sure that if you (or I) were born in North Korea, there would be a very large risk you (I) would love the leader and the country.
 
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