Does Anyone Use Newtonian Physics w/ Arbitrary Time Coordinates?

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of Lagrangian mechanics to handle arbitrary space coordinates, and whether it can also be used for arbitrary time coordinates in Newtonian mechanics. The example of a free particle is used to demonstrate a possible transformation between normally synchronized coordinates (x,t) and abnormally synchronized coordinates (X,T). The conversation also mentions the derivation of an energy function, and the difficulty in finding the correct Lagrangian in this case. The possibility of finding a paper or textbook discussing this problem is also mentioned.
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It's fairly common to use Lagrangian mechanics to handle arbitrary space coordinates. But is it ever actually used to handle arbitrary time coordinates, particularly in Newtonian mechanics?

For example, does anyone consider the transformation

x = X
t = T + uX

where (x,t) are normally synchronized coordinates, and (X,T) are abnormally synchronized coordinates.

I fiddled with this, and I'm currently getting the following. Consider a free particle, and let X' = dX / dT

Then I get:

[tex]
L(T,X,X') = \left(\frac{m}{2}\right) \, \frac{X'^2 }{(1 + u\,X')}
[/tex]

[tex]
p = \frac{\partial L}{\partial X'} = m\,X'\,\frac{(1+\frac{1}{2}u\,X') }{ (1+u\,X')^2}
[/tex]
which gives an energy function, h of
[tex]
h = pX' - L = \frac{m}{2} \left(\frac{X'}{1+u\,X'}\right)^2
[/tex]

It seems to work, because the energy function h is what one expects, i.e h = (1/2) m v^2, where v = dx/dt, the velocity in normally synchronized coordinates.

as
dx = dX, and dt = dT + udX,

so dx/dt = (dX/dT) / (1 + u (dX/dT)) = X' / (1+u X')

however, I had to try a couple of times to get the Lagrangian right - while L has the same numerical value independent of changes in the spatial coordinates, it's NOT independent of the changes in the time coordinates , rather L dt is the same, and dt != dT.

Anyway, if this is legitimate, is there any paper or textbook that considers the problem?
 
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1. How does Newtonian physics use arbitrary time coordinates?

In Newtonian physics, time is treated as an absolute quantity that is independent of the observer. This means that it does not matter who measures time or where they are located, the measurement will always be the same. Therefore, any arbitrary time coordinate can be used to describe the motion of objects in Newtonian physics.

2. Why is it important to use arbitrary time coordinates in Newtonian physics?

Using arbitrary time coordinates allows for a simpler and more flexible mathematical representation of physical systems. It also allows for the comparison and analysis of different systems using the same time coordinate, making it easier to make predictions and understand the behavior of objects in motion.

3. Are there any limitations to using arbitrary time coordinates in Newtonian physics?

While arbitrary time coordinates are useful and widely used in Newtonian physics, they do have limitations. In situations where high precision and accuracy are required, such as in the study of celestial mechanics, the use of absolute time coordinates may be necessary.

4. How does the use of arbitrary time coordinates affect the laws of motion in Newtonian physics?

The laws of motion in Newtonian physics, particularly the first and second laws, remain the same regardless of the choice of time coordinate. However, using arbitrary time coordinates may simplify the mathematical equations used to describe the motion of objects and make it easier to solve problems.

5. Can arbitrary time coordinates be used in other areas of physics?

Yes, arbitrary time coordinates can be used in other areas of physics, such as in classical mechanics and electromagnetism. However, in some areas, such as special and general relativity, the concept of absolute time is replaced by spacetime, where time and space are combined into a four-dimensional coordinate system.

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