Does ECO mode in electric cars make sense?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the ECO mode in electric cars, specifically questioning its rationale and implications for vehicle performance and efficiency. Participants explore the relationship between power output, energy consumption, and vehicle range, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of electric vehicle operation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why reducing power from 100 kW to 60 kW in ECO mode would lead to increased range, citing a specific energy equation that does not include power as a factor.
  • Another participant clarifies the meaning of "ECO" mode, suggesting it relates to economy rather than a specific technical term.
  • A participant challenges the assumption that energy from gasoline engines is solely converted to forward motion, implying that there are other factors at play in vehicle operation.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of electric motors compared to gasoline engines, with one participant suggesting that slower acceleration in ECO mode could lead to increased overall drag and inefficiency.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of battery efficiency, explaining that high rates of charge and discharge can reduce energy efficiency and battery life, suggesting that ECO mode may help mitigate these issues.
  • A mathematical argument is presented that emphasizes the relationship between power, acceleration, and distance, indicating that lower power results in slower acceleration and potentially longer distances traveled for a given final velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and implications of ECO mode in electric cars. There is no consensus on whether reducing power in ECO mode is beneficial or detrimental to overall efficiency and performance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about vehicle dynamics, battery chemistry, and the relationship between power and acceleration, which remain unresolved and could influence the conclusions drawn by participants.

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I just saw a video about an electric car which has an ECO mode.

In ECO mode the car has less power.

So let's say in normal mode the car has 100 kW and in ECO mode 60 kW.

But why should the range of the car be greater if it has less power?

Because as far as I know to reach a speed of v it takes this energy:

E=m v^2/2

As you can see the acceleration or power is not part of the equation.

It should not matter if you reach the speed with the power of 100kW or 60kW.

So why is the power reduced in ECO mode?
 
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Do you think the only thing that happens to the gasoline's energy is that it goes to forward motion? Why don't we turn our car's engine off when we reach our desired speed?
 
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For gasoline vehicles we all know the reasons. For an electric car the question does not seem at all simple to me. There are issues motor efficiency which are far beyond my knowledge but the I believe the penalty for "jackrabbit" starts is far less than for gas engine.
Suppose we wish to traverse a city block (from red light to red light) in a fixed time say equal to distance/posted speed limit.. Considering v2 air drag the optimal route is to accelerate instantly to speed limit and decelerate instantly. Diminishing the power will generate slower acceleration requiring faster max speed and more overall drag. But this is what ECO mode will lead to...so its seems a perverse incentive to me
 
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Battery efficiency decreases at high rates of charge and discharge. Good search term to learn more is lithium ion battery discharge efficiency. A good source is: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/bu_808c_coulombic_and_energy_efficiency_with_the_battery. A quote from that source: The energy retrieved after a charge is always less than what had been put in. Parasitic reaction that occurs within the electrochemistry of the cell prevents the efficiency from reaching 100 percent. Ultra-fast charging and heavy loading also reduces the energy efficiency. This also contributes to battery strain by reducing cycle life.

So Eco mode not only help improve kilowatt mileage, but also improves battery life. Especially for leadfoot drivers.
 
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somega said:
$$E=mv^2/2$$
As you can see the acceleration or power is not part of the equation.
But your equation doesn't take into account the distance, which depends on the acceleration, which depends on the power. Yes it takes a given amount of energy to reach a certain velocity, but the time it takes dictates the power needed.

If you are reaching velocity ##v##, it implies necessarily an acceleration ##a##. The power ##P## is defined by:
$$P = \frac{dE}{dt} = \frac{Fdx}{dt} = ma\frac{dx}{dt} = mav$$
Or:
$$a = \frac{P}{mv}$$
But we also know that:
$$a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{vdv}{dx}$$
Or:
$$dx = \frac{v}{a}dv = \frac{mv^2}{P}dv$$
The distance traveled ##s## is:
$$s= \int dx = \frac{mv^3}{3P}$$
Thus, the lower the power, the smaller the acceleration and the longer the distance traveled for a given final velocity ##v##.
 
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