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Does light exerts force?

  1. Jan 27, 2008 #1
    One of my project will work with a great success if the light can exert force.
    Can it be possible?
     
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  3. Jan 27, 2008 #2
    I don't think that light produces any force directly from its motion. The energy from light can cause a force to be generated, however.

    What exactly is your project?
     
  4. Jan 27, 2008 #3

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    Light (as in photons) carries momentum. Any change in that momentum (such as absorption or reflection), will impart a force. So yes, it can exert a force. There's a simple experimental demonstration which has a set of 4 paddles being painted black on one side of each paddle, and while on the other, that spins simply when you shine light on it.

    However, if your "great success" depends on using this to "move" objects substantially, you might be disappointed.

    Zz.
     
  5. Jan 27, 2008 #4
    I think what you are talking about is called a radiometer. What causes it to spin is not the change in momentum from light "particles" hitting the paddles. In fact, the black side of the paddles absorbs much of the incoming light, causing the black side to heat up, while the white side stays cool because it reflects the light. When air molecules inside the radiometer hit the black side, kinetic energy is imparted to them, and the change in momentum of the air molecules (away from the black side) means an equal and opposite change in momentum happens to the paddle. Because there is a partial vacuum in the radiometer, these air molecules mostly flow freely until they hit either a paddle or the side of the radiometer, and it is more likely for them to hit the glass surface and slow down before hitting the white side of the paddle (which would cause turning in the opposite direction).
     
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  6. Jan 27, 2008 #5

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    Oooh, you're right. Bad example.

    Zz.
     
  7. Jan 27, 2008 #6

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    Unless your project involves space and several square kilometres of material, don't count on getting any useful work done.
     
  8. Jan 27, 2008 #7

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    If light is reflected from a metal surface, it exerts a pressure (in dynes/cm^2) given by
    p=2I/c, where I is the intensity in ergs/(cm^2-sec) and c is the speed of light.
    As dst said, I don't think you can measure this small pressure in the laboratory,
    although it is a possible option for space travel ("solar sailing").
     
  9. Jan 28, 2008 #8

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    Yes, a focused beam of light can pull objects into the focal volume. Google "Laser Tweezers". Polarized light can exert angular momentum on a birefringent object as well- polarization is an analog to spin. Light can also have angular momentum- Bessel beams are a good example.
     
  10. Nov 23, 2010 #9
    as light conssit of photon which is massless, i think the pressure or force are the virtual concepts of light to explain some phenomena like compton effect etc
     
  11. Nov 23, 2010 #10
    The short answer is yes, light does exert a force. But it is an extremely small force. As has been mentioned, you pretty much have to be in vacuum and you have to have a very large sail if you want to get anything out of it.

    Or you need a VERY powerful flashlight, probably orders of magnitude more so than anything we have.
     
  12. Nov 23, 2010 #11

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    While photons are massless, they do have energy E=ℏω and momentum p=ℏω/c=E/c.

    The force is quite small. Suppose the entire power consumption of the US, 3.4 terawatts, is converted to coherent light and aimed at some perfectly reflective object in space. The thrust on that object is 2E/c (the light is reflected), or about 23,000 newtons.
     
  14. Nov 23, 2010 #13
    Or high energy radiation like X-rays and Gamma rays.
     
  15. Nov 23, 2010 #14

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    The force, for a given flux of energy, is not dependent on the frequency. The momentum of each photon of high frequency radiation is higher but the energy carried is greater, so fewer photons are involved. The two cancel out so it just depends upon the power. So em pressure can be calculated 'classically' (ignoring quantisation) and you get the same / right answer. Strange / reassuring, I think.
     
  16. Nov 23, 2010 #15
    I didn't know people still used medieval units. Care to express that in thumbs per teaspoons?

    :)!
     
  17. Nov 23, 2010 #16

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    "Light" can sometimes exert significant force. Google for "radiation implosion" :-).
     
  18. Nov 23, 2010 #17

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    On a semi-side note, is it the light (photons) that have momentum, or is the momentum effect due to some intermediate state and/or interchange as electrons capture and/or emit photons which causes the electrons to gain and/or lose energy?
     
  19. Nov 23, 2010 #18

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    The electromagnetic field itself possesses momentum, expressed as the Poynting vector.
     
  20. Nov 23, 2010 #19
    My only hope is that the OP is with full understanding that, in all circumstances, the energy derived is LESS than the energy required to emit the photons.
     
  21. Nov 25, 2010 #20
    Yes, but you're not going to push over a building by shining a flashlight at it.

    At a certain point it's like gravity--you don't notice it because you've lived with it your whole life. But it's REALLY weak.
     
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