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Does orthodoxy control man?

  1. Mar 18, 2004 #1
    Orthodoxy controls man. Strange because man also synthesizes orthodoxy and is then compelled beyond his own wishes to abide by it.

    Man establishes his own morals and values. These morals and values constitute a culture. Culture is part of what sets us aside from other animals, but there are other parts of the picture to look at:

    Does Carl Jung's archetype prove thate there are instinctual concepts abided by all of mankind through a collective unconsious? IF so - can they be seen as inherent morals and values?

    Does structuralism of language prove that language speaks us?

    Does the world obey causality within the laws of physics? - - IF this happens, THEN that will result. Do I merely have a few pounds of meat in my head that bounce electrons off of neurons according to the laws of physics that cannot act in any other way? do they do so in such a fashion as to convince myself of having a free will to do anything?

    no free will = no culture yes/no?

    what do you think about orthodoxy?
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  3. Mar 21, 2004 #2
    Orthodoxy is usually associated with economic, social and political status. People who speak Queen's English are generally perceived to be better educated, more affluent and "higer" on the whole than those who speak say cockney. The reason of this perception is of course those who speak with the "orthodox" accent, the Queen for one, have historically had bigger economic, cultural and social and political clout. The perception will be perpetuated until those who are considered "orthodox" lose their claim to social, economic and political superiority.
  4. Mar 22, 2004 #3


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    Francis Bacon, the contemporary of Shakespeare who is one of the first writers on science, identified a number of "idols" that we worship, and which interfere with clear thinking. Some of them are

    The idol of the Tribe The "tribe" is the tribe of humankind. These are prejudices we have just because of our human limitations. "Common sense" as a logical device fits in here. Bacon was probably thinking that the sun appears to rise and set, and fools think it really does, whereas the real cause is the rotation of the earth. But the thought that someone's intuition is better than the careful experiments that support quantum theory and relativity is worshiping the idol of the tribe.

    The idol of the theater This is reliance on some fixed authority, like believing some actor on stage. Aristotle was the out of date authority in Bacon's time, but we might note the Creationists today, with their literal interpretation of the Bible.

    The idol of the marketplaceThis is the belief that all ideas are equally valid and interchangeable, like goods in the market. We can see this today in the post historical movement who think that science has no validity because it's just another creation of the capitalist and male world view like literature and philosophy.
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