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Does the world need more teachers?

  1. Nov 14, 2017 #41

    Mark44

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    No, I don't object to paying taxes to support education. My point is that (college) students should bear at least a portion of the costs of their education -- have skin in the game, in other words -- as they will be the direct beneficiaries of that education.
     
  2. Nov 15, 2017 #42
    By definition, "most" is anything over 50% - so I can not say you are completely wrong. However, I think the real numbers would surprise you.

    If I remember correctly, 9 out of 10 of all new businesses fail in the first ten years. Then again, it's been 20 years since I studied that statistics, so it could better or worse in the current economy. Still, this high rate of ultimate failure effectively provides camouflage to the people I am describing - after all, people pretty much expect a new business owner to eventually fail, regardless of personal expertise.

    Also, the people who we are talking about don't just "give up", and go away, when they fail. Once they have tasted a fat salary, with minimal work or knowledge on their part, they just keep going back to the well, for another go. A large percentage of them simply find new... well, "suckers" to work for them, and for investment capital. Often, they break laws, and end up with all expenses paid vacations that last 3 to 5 years, but the fact that they keep repeating the scenario, means that sure, they fail a lot, but that failure doesn't necessarily take them out of the equation, it simply moves them down the street to a different address, in a different industry, or different part of the same industry, where they can pit their charisma against a new pool of individuals.

    Sadly, there is a huge number of incompetent, yet moderately successful business owners out there, whose only saving grace is the fact that they have a gift for talking people into doing what they want them to. I wish I could provide numbers for you, but all I have is anecdotal observations.

    Not all business owners are idiots, and certainly not even the ones that fail are all idiots, and also, certainly, the numbers of those idiots when you get to huge corporations is small, because the system weeds them out. But when a corporate officer roster reads like a cult of personality - stand back, and watch for the fireworks.
     
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  3. Nov 15, 2017 #43

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    Sorry Blank_Stare, I still disagree.
     
  4. Nov 15, 2017 #44
    Hey, that's cool. I never mind a dissenting opinion, when it is offered civilly.

    I am also willing to believe that confirmation bias may effect either, or both of our opinions. I've seen a lot of people who were not qualified to do the work they were assigned, or that they assigned others to do, and took credit for. It sounds like you have not. It's a classic case of YMMV.

    On another note...

    Mark44 raises an interesting concept, namely, making the students "have some skin in the game". It seems to me that there's some truth to the concept, but I can't imagine any way to force the issue. Those with wealth will always have a better chance at a free ride, and those without will either have skin in the game, or not even be in the game, unless/until, college expenses are free to everyone. So while I like the idea of somehow requiring that there be some, (albeit small) personal stake, I just don't see how to make that a universal requirement.

    Do you have some idea, Mark44, of how to make that happen? I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
     
  5. Nov 15, 2017 #45

    Drakkith

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    Absolutely.

    Perhaps I just haven't encountered as many of them as you have. *shrug*
     
  6. Nov 15, 2017 #46

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    And/or to find the name of their favorite artist: actor/singer, etc. Do a search for any name ; when you enter a first name, Google will most likely suggest the last name of an artist. Similar for searches of any sort. EDIT: Re reinforcing prejudices, you have Google contributing to that: it tracks your search history and gives you results that somehow " best fit" your previous searches. It then keeps you in a small neighborhood of your experience set, of your previous searches.
     
  7. Mar 1, 2018 #47
    Disclaimer: I am in a US high school

    I think we need better teachers considering some of mine know very little even about there own subjects. Often I find in engineering I know more than my teacher which is really bad considering if you have seen my posts you know, that I know very little. Often if I have a question or disagree with a teacher they don't appear to be capable of defending their opinion except in English, since that is my weakest subject
     
  8. Mar 1, 2018 #48

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    I think it's far more likely that they know exactly what they're talking about, they just can't always explain it well to confused students. Teaching is MUCH harder than most people realize and takes skills that most people don't even know exist. The ability to take in what a student is asking, process it to figure out what exactly their asking and how it's related to a topic, and then develop an answer that is both correct and presented in a way that the student will understand, all on the fly without being able to sit down and spend some time working through it, is incredibly difficult.

    That's not to say that they're always right, only that it's extremely unlikely that you know more than your teacher does. Even if they're a bad teacher, they almost certainly know far more about the subject than you.
     
  9. Mar 1, 2018 #49
    That makes sense, come to think of it a few of them (primarily the ones who have trouble defending their opinion/fact) tend to be lazier or not have a minor or major in their field, aside from education.
     
  10. Mar 1, 2018 #50
    For clarification I mean someone might have a major in education in minored in say science but the teach English instead
     
  11. Mar 1, 2018 #51

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    Now that's an interesting point. I can easily believe that someone who hasn't focused on science and engineering could be lacking in their knowledge of the subject. It's still difficult to believe that any of the students know more than the teacher, but it would certainly mean that explaining things and answering questions might be more difficult for them.
     
  12. Mar 1, 2018 #52

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    Qualifications, eligibility, and who is hired to do what, become confusing. A school will not always have enough time to hire the properly qualified person to teach something. Time crunches happen, normal staff not fully available, and a school NEEDS someone for a class WITHIN TWO HOURS (like for a substitute); and then almost ANY teacher on a list may be asked. For some longer term jobs to teach, a school might have had difficulty finding a properly qualified and interested teacher candidate, so may need to be flexible enough to find someone either less ideal, or just SLIGHTLY unqualified. Consider, almost any science-degreed person can teach basic algebra, even intermediate algebra, but outside of those, such a person might not be prepared enough for something like Trigonometry or first semester Calculus.
     
  13. Mar 8, 2018 #53
    If we've got a teacher shortage when the school population is 800,000 less than it will be at its peak, then you will not get a world-class education for every child when the population really starts to grow towards the end of this decade.When there are more jobs around for graduates – and fewer jobs making people redundant – it's going to be more difficult.
     
  14. Mar 13, 2018 #54
    It' s a better topic I think we need better teachers considering some of mine know very little even about there own subjects.Teachers are definitely a breed apart. True we are made, and not created, but it seems like you can always tell a good teacher when you see one, even if you don’t see them teach. I ran into an old student of mine at the car wash earlier that day. She shared with me her desire to teach.
     
  15. Mar 20, 2018 #55
    Yes, I agree with this statement because Teachers are definitely a breed apart. True we are made, and not created, but it seems like you can always tell a good teacher when you see one, even if you don’t see them teach.Her personality is inviting, she seems naturally kind and patient, she doesn’t judge but instead shares a warm smile. She will be a great teacher regardless of subject matter or grade level. I could see that in her, just like my friends could see it in me. And education is a lifelong process for everyone. So I think world absolutely needs more teacher's.
     
  16. Mar 20, 2018 #56
    I think we need better teachers.
    You can search on the internet about programs and ask anyone about problems.
    But there is no challenge, no example and no actual conversation.
    Sometimes we all see the same solution to the problem because people just mimic the answer. Teachers sometimes make solution in a more easy way.
    Sometimes it's better if you have competition in the class.
     
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