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drankin
He's seriously thinking about running. I dare say that he would take it if he ran.
It is spelled "condescension". I am sorry you feel that way. I guess it only means you admit this kind of people news is not the most interesting distraction.drankin said:No opinion will be offered in response to your condescention.
is going out the window as of Jan 1 without even a vote for a great many Americans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_a...ciliation_Act_of_2003#Tax_bracket_comparison" 2.0 with a similar result."I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
humanino said:It is spelled "condescension". I am sorry you feel that way. I guess it only means you admit this kind of people news is not the most interesting distraction.
You're missing one citation - to the Obama plan that calls for the tax raise on lower income groups.mheslep said:I predict the President will lose reelection if events continue on the current trend, given any half decent opposition candidate. I don't make that prediction lightly against an incumbent President who I grant is formidable as a politician, and given the reluctance of the electorate to put a Republican president in place along side the pending Republican House.
But given his campaign tax pledge:"I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
is going out the window as of Jan 1 without even a vote for a great many Americans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_a...ciliation_Act_of_2003#Tax_bracket_comparison" 2.0 with a similar result.
2001: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001#Income_tax
2003: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_a...nciliation_Act_of_2003#Tax_bracket_comparison
I most probably have a worse grammar and orthography than yours. I would appreciate if you corrected mine. I was not worried about your grammar. I just wanted you to spell outdrankin said:Are you going to discuss the OP or simply parse my weaknesses in grammar?
even against Trump. I would rather not display my own opinion on such possibilities.mheslep said:the President will lose reelection
It's unspeakable? How about the http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm" Can they be spoken about? Any chance Trump can do better at getting them jobs?humanino said:I most probably have a worse grammar and orthography than you. I would appreciate if you corrected me. I was not worried about your grammar. I just wanted you to spell out
even against Trump. I would rather not display my own opinion on such possibilities.
mugaliens said:No. Absolutely not. The financial sector already has it's fingers in our government up to its armpits, at taxpayer expense for their mistakes. I fail to see how electing a "business magnate" is going to improve that conundrum.
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/100110_fox_news_poll.pdfmheslep said:I predict the President will lose reelection
Gokul43201 said:You're missing one citation - to the Obama plan that calls for the tax raise on lower income groups.
The only mention of Obama on that page is the following sentence:CRGreathouse said:I think the link to the JGTRRA was for that purpose...?
Yes, and who had decades of professional executive political office experience and a previous attempt at the Presidency behind him ('76 against Ford).drankin said:We did elect a B rated actor for two terms.
mheslep said:Yes, and who had decades of professional executive political office experience and a previous attempt at the Presidency behind him ('76 against Ford).
Oh, yeah - he's a great businessman - just what the country needs. :rofl:For legendary tycoons, Donald Trump tops the list, but how many times has Donald Trump filed for bankruptcy? The 90’s recession wasn’t picky about who it affected. Donald Trump felt the pinch as well. His decision to use high interest bonds to finance the assembly of the Taj Mahal casino caused life to get very stressful for the tycoon.
In 1991, unable to pay a $3.5 billion loan, he declared business bankruptcy. He also came close to filing personal ruin. At the time, his personal debt was estimated to be around $900 million. Due to the bankruptcy, banks and bondholders lost millions. They came to a compromise with Donald Trump. The banks gave him lower interest rates and a longer time frame to repay the debt and Donald Trump gave the investors half the ownership of the Taj Mahal. In mere months the casino was back in business.
Not even a year later, Trump Plaza Hotel folded and Donald had to declare bankruptcy. . . . .
The bankruptcy saga didn’t stop there. In 2004, Donald filed for bankruptcy protection and restructured his debt. . . . .
I know, I got that part, but I wanted point out that the US does not have much of a history of voting for Presidents with absolutely zero electoral experience. Only Eisenhower comes to mind.drankin said:My point is that we have a precedent for voting in celebrities.
? From the pollhumanino said:. I find it funny how it reflects in the poll : people do not want to vote for him, but when asked, they pretty much prefer him over anybody else.
Astronuc said:Well, Trump could help Uncle Sam through bankruptcy.
Ref: http://www.mademan.com/mm/how-many-times-has-donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy.html
Oh, yeah - he's a great businessman - just what the country needs. :rofl:
rofl? That's a disappointing post. It's one thing to point out his lack of political office experience, but mocking his business acumen? Trump doesn't run lemonade stands. Exactly what do you believe is involved in starting high risk real estate businesses in NYC, or starting businesses in the US in general for that matter? How many jobs do you imagine Trump has created along the way as opposed to, say, some community coordinator?Astronuc said:Well, Trump could help Uncle Sam through bankruptcy.
Ref: http://www.mademan.com/mm/how-many-times-has-donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy.html
Oh, yeah - he's a great businessman - just what the country needs. :rofl:
You didn't know that many entrepreneurs fail, often repeatedly, in route to success?drankin said:Doh! Now this I didn't know. That won't work at all.
Quote was from Sept. 12, 2008 in New Hampshire.Gokul43201 said:You're missing one citation - to the Obama plan that calls for the tax raise on lower income groups.
Gokul43201 said:The only mention of Obama on that page is the following sentence:
"The Obama administration proposed keeping tax cuts for people making less than $250,000 per year."
I don't think that helps the case that mheslep was trying to make.
mheslep said:You didn't know that many entrepreneurs fail, often repeatedly, in route to success?
Oh agreed, but I think Trump's bombastic personality, at least the public showman version, would do him well before recourse to his business record.drankin said:No, I agree with that but this is political ammunition that would be exploited by his opposition. And the general voter will buy into it, IMO.
That is part of what I am saying : the majority wants to vote for somebody else. But then please go to the next page : every single specific opponent looses against him.mheslep said:? From the poll
If the 2012 presidential election were held today, would you definitely vote to re-elect Barack Obama: Vote for someone else: 54% (total)
Exactly.CRGreathouse said:I can speak for neither mheslep nor Gokul43201, but I think the point the latter was trying to make was that income tax will increase Jan 1 2011 for those making at least ~$34,000, depending on the exact cutoff for the tax brackets and filing status.
Well that was also known when Obama made the 'pledge' - Congressional action required to extend postpone tax increases. To fulfill the pledge, seems to me he would have had to at least proposed forcefully that Congress eliminate increases for the under $250k brackets.Of course, strictly speaking, this is not Obama but the current Congress.
I'm not sure I agree. He or his companies have been bankrupt many times. And he has a reputation in the construction industry for making projects work financially by not paying his bills.drankin said:He has a successful resume.
Yes, the real-estate business is high risk. But I'd consider a bankrupcy to be a failure, not a win, wouldn't you?mheslep said:rofl? That's a disappointing post. It's one thing to point out his lack of political office experience, but mocking his business acumen? Trump doesn't run lemonade stands. Exactly what do you believe is involved in starting high risk real estate businesses in NYC, or starting businesses in the US in general for that matter?
I'm sure he's created a ton of jobs, but the bankrupcies would also tend to destroy a ton of jobs, so I'm not sure if the net would be all that positive.How many jobs do you imagine Trump has created along the way as opposed to, say, some community coordinator?
I've seen the rest, but of course we don't know who the opponent is going to be yet. I like Mitch Daniels (In), Pawlenty(Mn) for instance.humanino said:That is part of what I am saying : the majority wants to vote for somebody else. But then please go to the next page : every single specific opponent looses against him.
Astronuc said:Well, Trump could help Uncle Sam through bankruptcy.
Ref: http://www.mademan.com/mm/how-many-times-has-donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy.html
Oh, yeah - he's a great businessman - just what the country needs. :rofl: