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Doppler effect bat problem

  1. May 29, 2009 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    A bat flies toward a wall, emitting a steady sound with a frequency of 25.0 kHz. This bat hears its own sound plus the sound reflected by the wall.


    How fast should the bat fly, v_b, to hear a beat frequency of 220 Hz?

    Take the speed of sound to be 344 m/s.


    2. Relevant equations

    f_beat = f_a - f_b


    3. The attempt at a solution

    I let the speed of sound be v and let the emitted frequency be f_e and got an expression for the beat frequency:
    f_beat = ((v+v_b)/(v-v_b)-1)f_e
    Didn't get the right answer... Doing it another way I got
    f_beat = (v^2/(v-v_b)^2 - 1)f_e
     
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  3. May 29, 2009 #2

    Hao

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    Your answer for

    [tex]f_{received by bat} = \frac{v_{sound} + v_{bat}}{v_{sound} - v_{bat}} f_{emitted}[/tex]

    seems to be right.

    So your [tex]f_{beat}[/tex] is alright too.

    Getting [tex]v_{bat}[/tex] is just a matter of algebra and substituting the right values.

    The answer should have order of magnitude [tex]a * 10^0[/tex].
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2009
  4. May 29, 2009 #3
    MasteringPhysics still fails me on that answer
    Note: I compute 280.296 m/s

    Why would it be that order of magnitude? (Other than common sense to do with a bat)
     
  5. May 29, 2009 #4

    Hao

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    What is the numerical answer they quote (if they provide one)?

    There are several ways this analysis can go wrong.

    1) If you do not account for the fact that the frequency is doppler shifted on reception, the numerator goes from c+v to just c.

    2) If you do not account for the fact that the frequency is doppler shifted on emission, the denominator goes from c-v to just c.

    I compute 1.507 m/s
     
  6. May 29, 2009 #5
    Thanks for your help, though I don't understand how you got that answer...

    We go f_beat = f_receive - f_transmit

    and when I substitute in I get the wrong answer... your answer was correct by the way.

    Could you please put in your substitution steps? Thanks
     
  7. May 29, 2009 #6

    diazona

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    Homework Helper

    Could you show yours?
     
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