What is the explanation for the 4m mass going down in a double Atwood machine?

In summary, the conversation discusses a double Atwood machine with a heavy mass of 4m on the left and a mass of m on the right. The 3m mass on the right side starts to go down, causing the m mass on the left to go up. It is explained that the 4m mass must also go down to keep the center of mass in the same location. This is due to Newton's first law and zero net external force. The concept is further explained using the example of a person hanging from the right disc.
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Homework Statement


I have a double Atwood machine; on left side there is a heavy thing which weight 4m, on right side there is another circle (this circle which go around in atwood machine) and on left there is heavy thing which weight m, on right - mass which weight 3m. Now the 3m thing starts to go down, m thing goes up. Why the 4m mass goes down, while the mass on both sides are the same mass?
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Homework Equations


I got this result from Lagrange equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to research how the forces in lines and masses are existing, but I couldn't find any soluton for this.. why this 4m mass is going down? thanks for answer!
 
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player1_1_1 said:
.. why this 4m mass is going down?

Hi player1_1_1! :smile:

If the 4m didn't move, then the centre of mass would go down.

So the 4m must go down to keep the centre of mass where it should be. :wink:

(you'll probably find that 4a + b + 3c is a separable variable)
 
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Thanks for answer!
does it have any explanation why centre of mass must be in same location? maybe some additional forces which force this 4m thing to go down?
 
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Newton's first law (and zero net external force) ? :wink:

(Imagine you're hanging from the right-hand disc, instead of the masses, and you put your arms "above" your head … would you expect the left-hand mass to stay where it is?)
 
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now i understand this, thanks!
 

1. What is a Double Atwood machine?

A Double Atwood machine is a device used to demonstrate the principles of mechanical advantage and acceleration in physics. It consists of two pulleys and two masses connected by a string or rope. The two masses are typically different, with one being larger than the other.

2. How does a Double Atwood machine work?

In a Double Atwood machine, the larger mass has a greater gravitational force acting on it, causing it to accelerate downward. This acceleration is transferred to the smaller mass through the string, causing it to accelerate upward. This transfer of acceleration allows the smaller mass to move at a greater rate than it would on its own.

3. What are the advantages of using a Double Atwood machine?

The main advantage of using a Double Atwood machine is that it allows for a clear demonstration of the principles of mechanical advantage and acceleration in a simple and visual way. It also allows for the calculation of these principles using measurable quantities.

4. How is the mechanical advantage of a Double Atwood machine calculated?

The mechanical advantage of a Double Atwood machine is calculated by dividing the weight of the larger mass by the weight of the smaller mass. This can also be expressed as the ratio of the distance traveled by the smaller mass to the distance traveled by the larger mass.

5. What are some real-life applications of a Double Atwood machine?

Double Atwood machines are commonly used in physics classrooms to demonstrate the principles of mechanical advantage and acceleration. They can also be found in various industrial and mechanical systems, such as elevators and cranes, where they are used to lift heavy loads with less force.

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