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B Double slit with one detector

  1. Jun 27, 2017 #1
    In the double slit experiment , if one place only one detector around one slit, while leaving the other slit unchecked, the interference pattern vanishes. Does this show entanglement?
     
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  3. Jun 27, 2017 #2

    Drakkith

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    No, why would it?
     
  4. Jun 28, 2017 #3
    If the detector did not click, one will know that the particle passed through the other slit.
     
  5. Jun 28, 2017 #4

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    What other particle? The photon source emits single photons, not entangled pairs.
     
  6. Jun 28, 2017 #5
    But that is only observing that a single particle goes through one slit rather than another - nothing spooky about that, is there?

    I am a complete newbie when it comes to reading up on QT, but If I have the history correct, the first proposal for what later was to be called entanglement was the EPR thought experiment in 1935, which stipulated a radioactive particle which decays into two equal-mass particles; this led Schrödinger to propose entanglement; which in general involves pairs or groups of particles with a common origin & with quantum states that can't be described separately, even if they are far apart; or so I read, though I don't claim to understand yet.

    Whereas with the double-slit experiment, for most of its history the point hasn't been to explore entanglement but rather wave vs. particle behaviors; i.e. that light behaved like a wave in showing interference (Young, 1801), and did the same even down to single photons as they accumulated (Taylor, 1909); and later that not only did closing a slit remove the interference effect, but so did putting detectors at the slits.

    A later variation of the double-slit apparently does involve entanglement; this is the "delayed choice quantum eraser" first presented in 1999. By coincidence, earlier today I was reading about a DIY home version you can do of this experiment, described in May 2007 in Scientific American; although I haven't read enough yet to know how similar or different this DIY version is from the original.
     
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  7. Jun 28, 2017 #6

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    That experiment is using entanglement as a clever way of measuring the photon's position without absorbing it. Just because we use this technique in a double-slit experiment doesn't mean that the experiment is demonstrating entanglement.
     
  8. Jun 28, 2017 #7
    Having thought about it a bit more -

    I'm not at all clear that the distinction applies in this case. It's true that I'm not clear as to anything involving QT; but to me, "use" and "demonstrate" are ordinary words here; so we could as well be talking about hammering a nail as about QT when it comes to understanding the intent.

    Obviously there can be a distinction drawn between what an experiment's main point is - what is intended to show - versus the technical means used to demonstrate this point; however in this case, if I look at both the original study & Wikipedia's reporting on that study, entanglement seems to have been very much one of the aspects the authors wanted to demonstrate; and in fact they say as much in their conclusion.

    Some excerpts:

    Link to the original study is here; and this is the abstract – quite short; bold is mine:
    Similarly the link to the Wikipedia article is here; and this is the lead paragraph - bold is mine:
    And here is the beginning of the subsection in that article titled "Does delayed choice violate causality?":
    And back to the study itself again, here is the concluding paragraph; I have bolded the last sentence:
    That sentence seems to show that they wanted not merely to use entanglement, but to demonstrate something interesting about having used it. Which makes it part of the study's focus.
     
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  9. Jun 28, 2017 #8

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    This is a great paper, and there are a number of PF members that are familiar with this and related variations. But I guess I didn't see a particular question.

    I suspect everyone here would agree with you that this experiment uses entanglement to demonstrate some very interesting elements of QM. One of those elements being issues around time ordering: in many cases, ordering of events has no impact on the outcomes. That is true even when it defies classical causal ordering.
     
  10. Jun 28, 2017 #9
    In response to the OP's original question, I said it was my understanding that most of the double-slit experiments historically have not been concerned with entanglement; I then mentioned the quantum eraser experiment as a possible exception - I had come across a mention of it but hadn't looked at it yet.

    @Nugatory then said, in response to my comment, that "Just because we use this technique in a double-slit experiment doesn't mean that the experiment is demonstrating entanglement." I interpreted this, perhaps mistakenly, as going against what I read in the study itself. Or not; I'm just trying to clarify so I understand as much as I can, bearing in mind that the technical details are over my head.
     
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