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Dowsing confirmed as real ?

  1. Mar 26, 2004 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    Dowsing confirmed as "real" ?

    http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/articles/betz/1.html
     
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  3. Mar 26, 2004 #2

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    dowsing has been used successfully for years,the only reason
    it hasn't been accepted scientifically is no one knows how it
    works. the British society of dowsers has been in existence
    for 60 YRs or more, but like other things it never works when
    tests are shown on tv.
     
  4. May 7, 2004 #3
    So far as those who actually participate in Dowsing can fathom, the best current theory seems to be the infamous 'Ley Lines' and such. Can anyone offer a scientific interperetation of these Ley Lines??
     
  5. May 7, 2004 #4
    Maybe they should compare the results with random points on the ground instead of the professional's techniques, the dowsers may not be good at it when compared to the usual methods - the usual guys might just be bad at it.

    Wolram:
    "dowsing has been used successfully for years,the only reason
    it hasn't been accepted scientifically is no one knows how it
    works. the British society of dowsers has been in existence
    for 60 YRs or more, but like other things it never works when
    tests are shown on tv."

    The existence of a society dedicated to things doesn't make it more credible (unless if tis can be shown that they're good @ what they do). While doing Physics, my teacher gave a hand-out on the Flat Earth Society of Britain. I don't know how long they've been around (my guess is quiet a while!) - but they're still active if you can believe it.
     
  6. May 7, 2004 #5

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    http://www.occultopedia.com/l/ley_lines.htm
    ley lines, a term first used by Watkins.
    quddusaliquddus, many tests semi and scientific have been done
    to prove disprove dowsing with various results, some people
    seem to have a "knack", and do find find "targets", but who knows
    how.
     
  7. May 7, 2004 #6

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    To all dowsers out there:
    There's a MILLION U.S DOLLARS to be won; just prove the efficacy of dowsing to the James Randi Foundation!!!
     
  8. May 7, 2004 #7
    :rolleyes: man if i hear that name one more time...any experiment which has
    a million dollars at stake if it doesnt go the experimenter's way is always going to be biased and ultimately flawed.
    And the way he always mentions it whenever he gets he's weird face on telly; as if its some kind of standing testiment to the illegitimate nature of pretty much anything that baffles his brain.
     
  9. May 11, 2004 #8
    I have a little book called Lightning Bolt Generators which is about how to make various electrostatic generators. It has a list of things "that have a predisposition for taking on a negative or positive charge" in order of their tendency to do this. First on the positive side is air. Second is human hands.

    It occured to me that this tendency of human hands to take on a positive charge might tie in to dowsing somehow. It doesn't seem to be a subtle thing. Hands are placed on the list as more positive than glass, human hair, wool, or silk.

    I don't know how this would translate into dowsing, but it seemed signifigant.
     
  10. May 13, 2004 #9
    I know mechanical contractors that use dowsing to locate terra cotta piping underground. It works. I don't know why or how, but it works.
     
  11. May 13, 2004 #10

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    Without the specifics of the test, its tough to interpret this, but just off the top of my head, it sounds like any other random probability. With a group of 50 people, random chance will give one the highest success rate. Did they take that guy and do a second set of tests just with him to see if the results are repeatable?
     
  12. May 13, 2004 #11

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    I don't know anything more that discussed in the link. I do want to follow up on all of this later though. Given my own belief in dowsing due to two family members who seemingly have this ability - my father and uncle - one of these days I want to learn all that we know about this claim/issue, so far. Ironically, since I accepted long ago that this "art" must be due to a perfectly natural ability I have never really learned much about it. My dad has used it so successfully that he never doubted that a known explanation must exist [he was a Chem E and is prone to very logical thinking]. He was quite surprised when I told him that science does not recognize this as a genuine, natural, human ability.
     
  13. May 13, 2004 #12
    Wow Ivan_Seeking! Ever tried it?
     
  14. May 13, 2004 #13
    Artman
    I know mechanical contractors that use dowsing to locate terra cotta piping underground. It works. I don't know why or how, but it works.

    ====
    Anyone ever hear of "Spook Rods"?
    They're used to find 'graves'.....
    The City of Norfolk (Virginia) has a set at Magnolia Cemetery:
    I 'tested' 'em out--friend worked there--he's now a Supervisor
    This is an old cemetery and had number of unmarked graves-
    Think they're copper rods bent so as to fit in 'handles' so they
    can spin around--when you stand over a 'grave' (or water line)
    the rods cross/come together---(worked for me!!!)--the 'effect'
    is like a magnetic force......just 'standard operating procedure'!!
     
  15. May 14, 2004 #14
    If such things actually work, I think it supports the theory I proposed in the other dowsing thread, that what the dowser is actually sensing is the disturbed magnetic field of the ferrites in the soil.

    This could be tested by digging a trench, filling it back in, letting it grow over, and then letting as many reputable dowsers as you could get to participate to dowse the area without telling them they are dowsing for a trench with nothing in it.

    If dowsing for pipes works by sensing the water or metal (in the case of steel pipes) you would expect there to be no "hits" whatever on the empty trench.
     
  16. May 16, 2004 #15

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    Funny enough, no...which is really silly given my interests. Given my renewed interest - due to our recent discussions here - I guess I really do have to try it. I will let you know how it goes.
     
  17. May 16, 2004 #16

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    I have a creek, steel [mostly empty] pipes, PVC water pipes, and underground aquifers on my property. If I am able to do this with any success I will have a good range of things to try. Also, my dad is supposed to be here next month. Being over 70 I'm sure he hasn't done this in many years, but I will see if he is up for a demo.
     
  18. May 16, 2004 #17
    I do it and am quite successful at it.

    I worked at a water-well drilling company once. A few times the crew had to know where old existing water lines were before drilling - most times they resorted to hand digging 4 foot holes all over the area. I resorted to just dowsing for the lines and found them every time; when the rods crossed, I had one of the crew dig down and there was the line. I got a $2/hr raise when the boss found out about my 'abilities'.

    I tried teaching another coworker how to do this, but all he could ever find was fat tree roots...
     
  19. May 17, 2004 #18
    I think the presence of aquifers will negate the whole thing. Where could you be expected to go wrong with aquifers? How, also, could you determine if a miss for pipes wasn't a hit for an aquifer without drilling a well?

    I think my disturbed earth test would only be valid over a place known not to have aquifers. (The desert outside Las Vegas might be a good place to test both for disturbed earth and mouseonmoon's "spook rods" effect. Might find Jimmy Hoffa.)
     
  20. May 17, 2004 #19
    Remember that dowsing can find just about anything - if you’re looking for waterlines, electrical conduit, jewelry, missing animals, stolen vehicles - it’s really just about putting the image in your mind, then finding it... it’s that simple (for me, anyway).

    If you’re looking for an aquifer, it would be as easy as thinking about a large body of underground water, not just pipes/roots/streams. :)
     
  21. May 17, 2004 #20

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    The good news is that I know where the water is located, the bad news is that I know where the water is located. This is obviously not a "good" test, but for my own interests it is really quite incredible that I have never tried. I guess I never wanted to be seen by the neighbors...after the exploding cow episode I have to watch my step. :redface:

    I will keep alert for any hints of Hoffa.
     
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