Dr. Tom Cruise says no to psychiatry

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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-06/25/content_454551.htm

"Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib," Cruise responded. "You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, OK. That's what I've done."
Anyone think he actually read more then 3 lines?

And i swaer if i see this guys face one more time, someones gonna hve to put me on ridalin.
 
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ADD and ADHD is not due to a chemical imbalance in the brain, last I read about Ritalin research

Edit: ah scrap that.. last time I was digging on Ritalin was in 2002.. new research indicates:

There is increasing evidence that variants in the gene for the dopamine transporter are related to the development of ADHD (Roman et al., 2004, American Journal of Pharmacogenomics 4:83-92). This evidence is consonant with the theory of inefficacy of dopamine in people with ADD/ADHD; according to other recent studies, people with ADHD usually have relatively high dopamine transporter levels, which clears dopamine from between neurons before the full effect is gained from dopamine. Stimulant medications used to treat ADHD are all capable of either inhibiting the action of dopamine transporter (as methylphenidate does) or promoting the release of dopamine itself (as the amphetamine-class medications do). Therefore, it is theorized that stimulant medication allows the brain to enhance the effect of dopamine by blocking dopamine transporters or increasing the release of dopamine. Currently this is the most widely accepted model of ADD/ADHD etiology in the scientific and medical community.

New studies consider the possibility that norepinephrine also plays a role. (see Krause, Dresel, Krause in Psycho 26/2000 p.199ff).
 
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I caught the clip of that interview that has been rebroadcast on other shows. Sure, he might have read them, but does he have the mental capacity to understand them? Actually, I wonder if he even knows that there's more to an article than the abstract. Lots of people know PubMed exists and look up stuff there, but don't know that only shows the abstract and you have to read the rest of the article elsewhere.

I'm sure he's just trying to build publicity for The War of the Worlds coming out soon (or is it out already). It's a shame, because I might have gone to see that movie if he wasn't in a lead role, but I can be almost assured of a disappointing performance now, so won't be bothering. Even if I was tempted to see it anyway, I think I'll boycott his movies for his activism against science. Too many Hollywood airheads are jumping on the anti-science bandwagon, and I think it's time to remind them to keep their noses out of issues they don't understand.
 
ahh man is there anyway I can get a video of this ??
I love seeing what a complete prat this guy is.
He went off at a 60 minutes host here because he said "so what do you think of people who say scientology is rubbish?" :)
 

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So, another victim of Scientology. No wonder Cruise has been acting so nutty.
 

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well wait a minute there sport..

lets debunk his claims one at a time instead of completely degrading his ideas

in science classes they dont teach you that god doesnt exist or that there are no chakras - they teach you completely different things and concepts and you extrapolate everything after your first physics class and some even say that they are sure there is no god and no heaven - well ok perhaps, but you werent taught that in class

science is as exact as we could have achieved exactness due our understanding and capabilities. maybe there is something to the claims about the supernatural and idea of a separate consciousness.. nobody can say for certain where our mind has originated and the purpose of humanity in general
 

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I didn't say anything about God or the supernatural.
 
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I have known two people who really got screwed up by Hubbard's program.
 

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Soilwork said:
ahh man is there anyway I can get a video of this ??
I love seeing what a complete prat this guy is.
He went off at a 60 minutes host here because he said "so what do you think of people who say scientology is rubbish?" :)
Not a video, but the transcript of his interview:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/
You can spare yourself some boredom and skip the first page. The discussion of antidepressants and other psychiatry topics begins about midway down on page 2. I think I'll write to the Today Show and suggest that after that interview, they need to bring in an expert on depression and/or ADHD to offer a rebuttal and to properly educate their audience on the drugs and why they are prescribed.

You know, it's very common for those who need psychiatric help to reject psychiatry.
 

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I remember reading an expose about Scientology years ago. They believe that every human has alien spirits in them. :uhh:

If you don't know what Scientology is, read this. :rofl:

"75 million years ago, there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu who was in charge of 76 planets in our part of the galaxy, including our own planet Earth, whose name at that time was Teegeeack."

http://www.skeptictank.org/gen3/gen01985.htm
 

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well every religion needs a mythical plot that simply never happened like jesus or mohammed or in this case some alien ruler
 

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This is a cult, not a religion. It was huge in the 70's and 80's in California and a lot damage was done. One of the people I mentioned worked with Tsu and I. We had known her for at least a couple of years when she got into Scientology. Her personality changed almost overnight. AFAIK she was never the same; and not for the better by any measure.
 

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cronxeh said:
well every religion needs a mythical plot that simply never happened like jesus or mohammed or in this case some alien ruler
Well, Jesus and Mohammed were real people, so I am assuming Xenu was real too.
 

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Ivan Seeking said:
This is a cult, not a religion. It was huge in the 70's and 80's in California and a lot damage was done. One of the people I mentioned worked with Tsu and I. We had known her for at least a couple of years when she got into Scientology. Her personality changed almost overnight. AFAIK she was never the same; and not for the better by any measure.
The documentary was pretty scary. It showed people that tried to get out of Scientology and were threatened and harassed. They do not let go of you. It is a cult. Did you read my link? :bugeye:
 

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I'm going to make a SWAG and predict that we see Tom Cruise completely melt down. Well, that's bascially what we're seeing now, but I'll bet it gets a lot worse unless he gets smart in a hurry.
 

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Ivan Seeking said:
I'm going to make a SWAG and predict that we see Tom Cruise completely melt down. Well, that's bascially what we're seeing now, but I'll bet it gets a lot worse unless he gets smart in a hurry.
He does seem a bit out of control lately.

I never liked him.
 

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The documentary was pretty scary. It showed people that tried to get out of Scientology and were threatened and harassed. They do not let go of you. It is a cult. Did you read my link? :bugeye:
Oh, actually no, I thought it said skeptic.org, which I did already check.

I think you will find that the doctrine varies according to whom you ask, but yes, that all sounds about right.

The first girl that I ever took on a date - my best friend's sister - got into Scientology. IMO it was one step along the road to self destruction. I attended her funeral a few years ago - heroin overdose.
 

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Does anyone know who the sponsors are for War of the Worlds? I've decided I'm going to take a stand against the anti-science Hollywood crowd. I've got a letter drafted to send to Paramount informing them I will not see this movie or any others starring Tom Cruise unless they publicly announce that they don't endorse his anti-science claims and he publicly retracts his statements made on the Today Show. I want to inform their sponsors of the same (since I don't expect Tom Cruise to issue a retraction, I will only hold the sponsors responsible for pressuring Paramount to make it clear that his statements are unrelated to their position regarding science). I'm going to take a wild guess that at least some of their sponsorship relies on science for product formulation (doesn't every big film have product placement from one of the big cola companies?), but I want to know which ones to write to. It will sound better in my letter to Paramount if I can name some of their sponsors.

There's too much anti-science sentiment and promotion of pseudoscience fluff coming out of Hollywood anymore, and it's time they be called on it.

I also wrote to the Today Show asking them to produce a segment featuring experts on either depression or ADD/ADHD as damage control following Tom Cruise's statements. It would be nice to see an interview where the current scientific understanding is explained along with the cautions regarding misuse of the medications. Get both sides of the story out, but in a responsible way, not a fear-mongering, anti-science way.
 

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I find it strange that traditional religion gets so much more respect than Raelians, Scientology etc...

A statement like: "Scientology is ridiculous" seems no different to me than "Christianity is ridiculous"
 

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learningphysics said:
I find it strange that traditional religion gets so much more respect than Raelians, Scientology etc...

A statement like: "Scientology is ridiculous" seems no different to me than "Christianity is ridiculous"
Based on the number of locked threads on religion, I'm not sure they do get more respect, at least not here.
 

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Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook —

Cruise: No. I did not say that.
Heh.. he said "gobbledygook"

Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous.
True

They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs.
Ritalin (Methylphenidate) is a mild CNS stimulant, true. Its almost on par with amphetamines and other illegal street drugs, true that too. The mechanism of action is not completely understood but hey FDA approved it anyway. You want your kid to concentrate and pay attention? Give him a CNS stimulant, brilliant.

And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.
Ok he is ranting here, snip
 

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I think Tom Cruise was right on this one. The host didnt know the history. Dexedrine aka Dextroamphetamine is just as dangerous as meth and given to children it will surely result in dependancy and a future of drug abuse. I dont know much about psychology but surely I know people who took meth as kids and I know where they are today and who is not here today too.

Amphetamine was first marketed in the 1930s as Benzedrine® in an over-the-counter inhaler to treat nasal congestion. By 1937, amphetamine was available by prescription in tablet form and was used in the treatment of the sleeping disorder, narcolepsy, and the behavioral syndrome called minimal brain dysfunction, which today is called attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). During World War II, amphetamine was widely used to keep the fighting men going and both dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine®) and methamphetamine (Methedrine®) were readily available.

Increased control measures were initiated in 1965 with amendments to the federal food and drug laws to curb the black market in amphetamines. Many pharmaceutical amphetamine products were removed from the market including all injectable formulations, and doctors prescribed those that remained less freely. Recent increases in medical use of these drugs can be attributed to their use in the treatment of ADHD. Amphetamine products presently marketed include generic and brand name amphetamine (Adderall®, Dexedrine®, Dextrostat®) and brand name methamphetamine (Desoxyn®). Amphetamines are all controlled in Schedule II of the CSA.
 
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Back in the days when Ron Hubbard was still writing mainstream SF he complained about the poor financial returns and said "If a person really wants to make millions he needs to start his own religion" so he did. Since his death (or as Scientology PR explained "his departure to explore another galaxy") Scientology membership has dropped considerably though is still considered highly influential due to it's large cash reserves and the high profile positions of some of it's members.
Here is a link to a very informative site which exposes many of the activities and practices of this pseudo religion. http://www.xenu.net/
 
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I think Tom Cruise was right on this one. The host didnt know the history. Dexedrine aka Dextroamphetamine is just as dangerous as meth and given to children it will surely result in dependancy and a future of drug abuse. I dont know much about psychology but surely I know people who took meth as kids and I know where they are today and who is not here today too.
Where did they discuss dexedrine?
 
An article on Today's paper featured Tom's interview with the subtitle TomFoolery. I've seen people say a lot of stupid things but Tom takes the chocolate cake. We're looking at a guy who probably read Scientology propaganda regarding the effectiveness of Psychiatry, thinks he knows everything there is to know and completely debunks years of medical scientific research because Scientology disapproves of it. What does Scientology have to back-up their claims? plenty of sci-fi

Oh, here's his clip on Oprah going crazy, He is gone. Watch this first:

http://www.robomuffin.com/html/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=165&ttitle=#dldetails

Then watch this:

http://www.robomuffin.com/html/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=166&ttitle=#dldetails

Hilarious :rofl:
 
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