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Driving Habits

  1. On average I drive the speed limit

    19.5%
  2. On average I drive 5-10 mph over the limit. (10mph excluded)

    53.7%
  3. On average I drive 10-15 mph over the limit.(10mph included)

    19.5%
  4. On average I drive over 15mph then the speed limit. (15 excluded)

    7.3%
  1. Mar 18, 2006 #1
    I left my house and got onto the main road. I saw a cop and an SUV coming up the road, (its a big 3 lane road each side), but they were far enough back so I pulled out onto the road and I pushed my puny straight 4 up to speed. So all the while im looking in my mirror as I speed up. I see this suv being tail gated by the cop. She changes her lane, cop changes his lane and tail gates her some more. At this point there side by side with me. Then the lady in the SUV hits the gas. I’m saying to myself, what the hell did you just do are you stupid!? Then the cop pulls her over and gives her a ticked. I think that was BS, the cop pushed her into speeding. The speed limit is 50, and the road is huge and we were the ONLY 3 cars on the road.
    So after this incident I pulled up to the traffic light and there was this nice new blue Porsche carrera in front of me. Naturally we were going the same direction. Eventually we got to a red light and were side by side. Long story short the light turned green and we both floored it. He killed me. I had to look back in my mirror to realize all the cars that were behind us were now a small dot. We were not going ALL that fast, maybe 75-80 on a.........40. All I can say was it worth hearing the engine of his car rev up to high RPMs and fly down the road. The sad part is I was trying my best, I think he wasn’t trying at all.
    :redface:

    I don't usually drive fast like that. Today was a special occasion. But I usually go ~15 mph above the speed limit when I normally drive. How about the rest of you? (I just wanted an excuse to make a poll thread one of these days, and now I have one :tongue:)

    Oh yeah, and it goes without saying, don't break the law. Always go the speed limit!
     
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  3. Mar 18, 2006 #2

    Moonbear

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    Hey, you left out the choice for people who habitually drive 5-10 mph UNDER the speed limit. I know they're out there, because I'm always stuck behind them in the no-passing zones. :grumpy:
     
  4. Mar 18, 2006 #3
    5 miles above the speed limit is not illegal. Oh, you said under. LOL!
     
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  5. Mar 18, 2006 #4

    chroot

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    Perhaps you're just making crap up. You have no idea why he actually pulled her over, or what the cop actually charged her with. You're just speculating. Maybe she ran a red light a few minutes back or made an illegal turn, and the cop was just catching up with her, trying to find a good place to pull her over. (Cops stick like glue to cars they are following.)

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  6. Mar 18, 2006 #5

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    ... or, get the call back from dispatch, "Yeah, there's an 'armed and dangerous' out on that tag no."
     
  7. Mar 18, 2006 #6
    You don't "catch up" to her by tailgating the woman for a good 1/4 of a mile. He turned his lights on only after she suddenly sped up. (Probably because she wanted that cop to stop following her so close). In any event, I found it to be odd.
     
  8. Mar 18, 2006 #7

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    Even if you ignore all the idiots on the road and are only concerned with legality, I don't think the time saved by speeding is worth breaking the law. (And quite often, time is not saved by speeding and other forms of aggressive driving)

    The thing that boggles me is tailgating. I just don't understand it, especially some of the stupider forms, such as:

    (1) Tailgating at an on-ramp where you're going to have to merge.

    (2) Gain on someone, pull up to their bumper, slow down to their speed, and then pass. (Even though there's no traffic in the other lane)

    (3) Gain on someone, and sit on their rear for 10 miles, even though there's barely any traffic on a three lane highway.
     
  9. Mar 18, 2006 #8
    This is true. He may have punched the lisence plate into the system and have been sticking to her while waiting for information back.
     
  10. Mar 18, 2006 #9

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    She might have done something to anger him before you showed up. She could have had expired tags and he was following her while calling in to check her tags out.
     
  11. Mar 18, 2006 #10
    She could have passed him miles back and given him the finger as she did.
     
  12. Mar 18, 2006 #11
    Still, the cop should not be tailgating her like that. He could have caused an accident. She was already changing lanes and speeding up because of his agressive driving.
     
  13. Mar 18, 2006 #12

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    It is coming up on the "end of the quarter" --- he might be trying to make payroll.
     
  14. Mar 18, 2006 #13

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    Didn't we already have a Driving Habits thread?
     
  15. Mar 18, 2006 #14

    chroot

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    A quarter of a mile, at 50 miles per hour, takes 18 seconds.

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  16. Mar 18, 2006 #15
    Yeah, it was about that long ~half a minute. It was long enough to make her change her driving habbits significantly. If he was going to pull her over, he didn't have to do it while tailgating her.
     
  17. Mar 18, 2006 #16

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    And perhaps he saw her lange-changing and speeding to be indications that she might be about to try some evasive action. He might have waited to get around you because he didn't want you to get involved in what he perceived might turn into a dangerous vehicular confrontation. The bottom line is that you have no idea what really transpired between the cop and the SUV driver, so you probably shouldn't reach any conclusions about who did what.

    I generally dislike cops, and have had my share of bad experiences with the traffic-court system in general. At the same time, I feel the need to defend the [perhaps minority of] cops who do their jobs very well.

    I was driving (at the limit) down Highway 1 late at night a few months back. The only other car in my immediate vicinity was an old El Camino about a quarter mile ahead. I noticed nothing at all unusual about the situation until a cruiser approached from behind me. He moved behind me, a little closer than I'd like, and did the trick of moving half a lane to the left, watching my response. Before I had a chance to finish saying "what the heck?" he had moved back around me, moved to the El Camino, and did the same trick again. Instantly, the El Camino swerved and started oscillating back and forth across both lanes, leaving the roadway on one side, and almost leaving the shoulder. The cop had just demonstrated, in a split second, that the El Camino driver was completely drunk. The El Camino then tried to dodge onto an off-ramp, and the cop hit his lights and was on him like white on rice.

    I'm sure that the majority of cops can drive better than 99% of "civilian" drivers, and they can do some pretty impressive things on four wheels. If the cop was truly tailgating the SUV in what you'd consider a dangerous manner, I strongly suspect there was more to the story that just what you saw.

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  18. Mar 18, 2006 #17

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    See my above post.

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  19. Mar 18, 2006 #18
    And what if the guy swerved and killed himself or you in the process? I think that cop would be responsible for the accident by driving illegally and agressively.

    The other day there was this idiot cop who was driving up and down the road making illegal uturns. I was driving down the road, there was another car infront of me. All of a sudden the cop on the oncomming lane busts a u-turn. No lights, no sirren. Just makes a u-turn. The car ahead of me had to slam on her brakes. Then the cop just proceeds to drive up the road going past the speed limit. We catch up to him a little bit later, the guy busts ANOTHER u-turn, still no lights. AGAIN the lady ahead of me had to slam on her brakes. This time she gave him a nice long beep (Not to mention there were oncomming cars when he did it). I gave the cop a bad look, like what the hell is your problem you idiot? At least put ur sirren on if your going to do that.
     
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  20. Mar 18, 2006 #19

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    He did a quite good job of getting between me and the El Camino, tracking its movement across the roadway, and isolating me from the guy in the El Camino with his own vehicle. He gave me plenty of time to figure out something was happening and slow down. In fact, I left with the distinct feeling of wow, that guy's good, I can't believe how surgical that was.

    Besides, if the El Camino driver had ended up killing himself (or me, or the cop), he would have taken complete responsibility -- he was drunk. The cop did nothing but change langes behind him, then watch what he did. It was likely that I would have overtaken the El Camino in a minute or two myself, and my lane change might have provoked a similar response. Kind of scary, really.

    I agree with you there -- it's dangerous and irresponsible for cops to make sudden (illegal) maneuvers while not even using their lights to warn other drivers. At the same time, I suspect the cop was looking for a specific make and model of vehicle, known to be in the immediate area, and didn't want his presence to be given away by flashing blue lights.

    Traffic cops always have to balance their effectiveness in catching criminals with the safety of innocent motorists -- and it's definitely a trade-off. For example, I'm happy that many jurisdictions have recently stopped engaging in high-speed chases, as they tend to have a lot of collateral damage.

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  21. Mar 18, 2006 #20

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    It would never occur to me to SPEED up to get away from a cop. The way I usually deal with obnoxious tailgaters is to show them some brake light. Not sure that this is a good idea if the tailgater is a cop.

    A tailgating cop is a very bad sign, about the only option you have to to pull over and have a chat.
     
  22. Mar 18, 2006 #21

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    Or maybe she was already speeding. Since you were ahead and just merging on and they passed you while you were merging, you have no way to know what her speed was. She may have even been driving erratically, just as you saw, going slower and speeding up. You also don't know that she even knew he was there to have changed her driving; afterall, it IS pretty stupid to drive faster with a cop on your bumper, especially if you've just changed lanes and KNOW they are following you, not trying to pass you.

    He was probably pacing her to clock her speed to pull her over; that's pretty standard and you'll see it any time a cop comes up on a car from behind when they can't use radar to clock the speed. I've even seen a cop that was a bit ahead of a car quickly catching up from behind pull over, let the speeding car pass, then pull back out to clock them and pull them over a short distance later. They always pull up close before turning on the lights to make a stop. By getting right behind the car, it makes it easier for the car to pull over; when they turn their lights on, the cars in the adjacent lane will get out of the way of both of them, not just the cop, and the driver knows the cop is pulling them over, not turning the lights on to get to something else.
     
  23. Mar 18, 2006 #22
    by the time she caught up with me we were both going the speed limit side by side. But with the cop still tailgating her she gave some gas in what appeared to be an attempt to get him off her back since changing lanes did not help. I saw her looking in her mirror when she did that too. She was not driving erratically.


    She was driving just fine until he started to follow her so close. Then she changed lanes so he could pass her if he wanted to drive fast. But he dident just pass her, he just as quickly changed lanes and continued to stay on her rear. She DID know he was there, thats the whole reason why she changed lanes to get out of his way.
     
  24. Mar 18, 2006 #23

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    Precisely. If the driver was overreacting like that to someone changing lanes behind him, better it was a cop than your average driver who would 1) not even be expecting it, and 2) would not have the type of training to avoid a collision.

    Yes, if he was already tailgating, he was already planning to pull her over. As Chroot already mentioned, he was probably waiting until they completely passed Cyrus and were far enough ahead of him to give him time to slow down and avoid them as they were pulling over. If he had flipped his light one while still behind Cyrus while Cyrus was merging, the SUV driver could have panicked at the light and run into Cyrus in the attempt to pull over too quickly.

    As for a cop making multiple U-turns in a small area, really, it's not a hobby people take up for no good reason. He was looking for someone or something in that immediate area. I remember one night that I was driving through a city neighborhood and noticed a cop driving very "strangely." Pulling over to the side of the road, stopping, pulling back out...I was really unsure whether to stop and wait or pass or what and was getting frustrated wishing he'd put his lights on or just completely stop or something. In the next morning's news, I found out there had been a fight in the area that night and a suspect in a stabbing was on the loose...then it all made sense - the cop had been looking for that suspect, pulling over to look between buildings and down side-streets while other cops were on foot that I didn't see or know about.

    And, again, as for people being pulled over for no apparent reason, I had a friend who was pulled over one night and had no idea what she had done wrong. It turned out her car matched the description the cop had of a stolen car. He pulled her over while running the plates, and as soon as they came up clean, she was free to go. Nothing to the drivers on the road around her would have seemed wrong at all, because nothing was wrong other than every red car of that particular make and model in the area was being pulled over to check.
     
  25. Mar 18, 2006 #24

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    And she may have slowed down by then. You do NOT know what happened prior to you pulling in.


    And all the more reason NOT to speed up. That was just plain stupid if you know the cop is there. If you change lanes and they stick with you, you know they're after you for something, you don't make it worse by adding a speeding to it (if that wasn't already the reason for him pulling her over)...it could have been one of those days when they target the people on cell phones or not wearing seat belts too that he may have been following close enough to see if she was indeed on the phone (isn't that illegal to drive while talking on the cell phone in your neck of the woods?). You don't do anything to try to get a cop off your tail; they're there for a reason. And if he had no reason to pull her over until then, then she would have avoided it by patiently driving the speed limit until he got bored and moved on. That's really unlikely to be the case though. There are enough real speeders around where you live that they don't need to goad someone into speeding to write a ticket.
     
  26. Mar 18, 2006 #25
    Nope, but she was on her phone too. LOL!

    That's why I said to myself, "what the hell are you doing!?" when I saw her try to go a little faster :rofl:.

    Another time I was coming home late from the library at school. The cops along this one road love to sit parked at the u-turn\left turn parts of the road with their lights off and wait for a person to drive past them. This was at like 3 a.m. I was driving with a few cars around me. As soon as we pass, the cop pulls out and starts tailgating me.

    The road was 3 lanes and funneled into 2 lanes because it passed under a bridge but then became 3 lanes again after the bridge. at the two lane part, one lane was closed because they were doing night repair construction work. So I went EXTRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA slow for that cop. I was going 5 mph under the speed limit just to piss him off (I knew he wanted to give me a speeding ticket in a construction zone so he could double the fines). Well, the cars behind me were getting mad too, it was 3 a.m. So as soon as the road spread out to 3 lanes, I put my turn signal and changed lanes so that the cop would pass me by on the fast lane. Cop turns on his turn signal, tailgates me some more. Im like, ok, ill go slow for you, you idiot. As I am going slow, the car behind the cop gets angry and is like screw this and turns without using his indicator. As soon as he does that the cop SLAMS on his breaks, goes behind the other car and gives him a ticket.....seems like a trend.
     
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