Finding dS in Polar: dx, dy, and More

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding the differentials dx and dy in polar coordinates and using the Jacobian to find the relation between area elements in polar coordinates. It also mentions the use of linear algebra in understanding the transformation of area elements.
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Ok, so we know that [itex]x=rcos(\theta)[/itex]

So what is dx?

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Furthermore, can I get dS in polar by finding dx and dy in polar and then substituting them into dS for rectangular? Is there an easier way to solve for dS in polar?
 
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You can figure out the differentials [itex]dx[/itex] and [itex]dy[/itex] from the general formula for a multivariable differential: $$ x = x(r, \theta) = r \cos \theta \Leftrightarrow dx = \frac{\partial x}{\partial r}dr+\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}d\theta = \cos \theta\,dr - r \sin \theta\,d\theta $$
$$ y = y(r, \theta) = r \sin \theta \Leftrightarrow dy = \frac{\partial y}{\partial r}dr+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}d\theta = \sin \theta\,dr + r \cos \theta\,d\theta $$
For the relation between the area elements [itex]dA[/itex], you have to use the Jacobian:
$$ dx dy = \frac{\partial(x,y)}{\partial(r,\theta)}dr\,d\theta = (r \cos^2 \theta + r \sin^2 \theta)\,dr\,d\theta = r\,dr\,d\theta
$$
This is also easily seen if you sketch out what is happening. If you change [itex]\theta[/itex] by a small amount, you change one side of your area element by [itex]r\,d\theta[/itex]. If you change [itex]r[/itex] by a small amount, you change the other side of your area element by [itex]dr[/itex].
 
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As you can see, JPaquim's formula for the Jacobian is simply the determinant of the transformation matrix between the differentials.
And if you remember your linear algebra, it is precisely the determinant of a square matrix that tells you of how the area is transformed when going from one set of basis vectors to another by means of matrix transformation.
 

1. What is the purpose of finding dS in Polar?

The purpose of finding dS in Polar is to calculate the area of a region on a polar coordinate plane. This is useful in various mathematical and scientific fields, including physics, engineering, and astronomy.

2. How is dS calculated in Polar?

dS in Polar is calculated using the formula dS = r * dr * dθ, where r is the radius and dθ is the change in angle. This formula takes into account the curved nature of polar coordinates and allows for a more accurate calculation of area.

3. What is the difference between dx and dy in Polar?

In Polar coordinates, dx represents the change in the radius (dr) and dy represents the change in the angle (dθ). These changes are used to calculate the change in area (dS) of a region, as mentioned in the previous question.

4. How is dS used in real-world applications?

dS in Polar is used in various real-world applications, such as calculating the surface area of a cone or the volume of a cylindrical tank. It is also used in fields such as meteorology, where it is used to calculate the area of a storm system.

5. What are some common mistakes when finding dS in Polar?

Some common mistakes when finding dS in Polar include forgetting to convert units to radians, using incorrect formulas, and not taking into account the orientation of the region being measured. It is important to double-check calculations and be mindful of these potential errors.

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