Effect of tensile force

1. Jun 18, 2014

cowgomoo

Hello guys!

Lets say we have two apples on tree. Apple A and apple B. And on those apples are attached same weight object. Only difference is lenght of string.

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Which one will fall first? Im mean on what apple gravity/tensile force will effect more.

Or lenght of string is irelevant and tensile force/gravity will have same effect in both cases.

Thanks.

2. Jun 18, 2014

cowgomoo

Question two what if string is flexible string of rubber for example?

3. Jun 18, 2014

UltrafastPED

Assuming a constant gravitational force near the earth's surface, g=9.8 m/s^2, they would be the same. The string simply transmits the "weight" of the mass to the apple.

Using a more detailed model, we would note that Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation says that gravity varies with distance; then the apple with the longer string will feel slightly more force, depending upon the lengths of the strings.

Finally, if you actually do the experiment, in an apple orchard, you will be limited by the assumption that the apples are bound to the tree with the same strength; as an old apple picker, I assure you that apples will not have quite the same bonding force! But aside from that, on a windy day the longer string will generate more torque, and will dislocate its apple more quickly.

PS: The stretchy string won't matter unless you start the weight bobbing up and down.

4. Jun 18, 2014

cowgomoo

Lets assume that both apples are bound to the tree with same strenght and there is no wind.
Just gravity.

Im little confused with your answer. In first two lines you say that effect will be the same. Then that gravity varies with distance.

Is it true that gravity varries with distance in the first place?
If so on what level? In our non quantum world? Lets use examples of apples...

5. Jun 18, 2014

Staff: Mentor

Yes. The easiest way to see this is to look at Newton's law: $F=Gm_1m_2/r^2$ where $r$ is the distance between (the center of mass of) the two masses; clearly the gravitational force will be different if $r$ is different.

However, we don't worry about this when we're working with apples in a tree, or anything else that's within many kilometers of the surface of the earth. For example, suppose the apple tree is ten meters tall (which is a very tall apple tree indeed)... The radius of the earth is about 6300 kilometers, so we're talking about the ratio between $(6300)^2$ and $(6300.01)^2$ for the difference in strength of gravity at the top and bottom of the tree. This is far too small to notice or care about.

So... when you're solving problems near the surface of the earth, save yourself some unnecessary work and do all your calculations as if the force of gravity does not vary with distance. Just remember that when you move on to satellites in orbit and the like, you won't be able to make this simplifying assumption.

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6. Jun 18, 2014

cowgomoo

Thanks guys!!!

One more thing...

Are we talking about momentum force?
Longer distance higher momentum force???

How strechy string fits into this story?:tongue: