Elastic Collision of 2 balls

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Homework Statement

Two spheres of mass M1 and M2 are arranged one above the other as shown. They are separated by a fraction of a mm. They are released from rest and allowed to fall to the ground, a distance h = 5.0 m below. Mass M2 collides elastically with the ground and then elastically with mass M1. Calculate the maximum height the center of M1 rises above the ground after the collision. D = 0.20 cm, d = 0.05 cm, M1 = 0.20 kg, M2 = 1.10 kg.

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The Attempt at a Solution

so I got the velocity by using vf^2 = 2ad and got 9.89m/s.

I use the collision formula:

(9.89)(1.1)=(.2)(v)

v= 54.337 - 9.89
=44.557 m/s for the smaller ball.

then 0=44.557^2+2ad

d=101.29 + 5 m = 106m.

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[NascentOxygen]

It's a bit tricky, so I'd prefer to know the textbook's answer before I venture to offer guidance. ☺

But I think the interaction is between M1 coming down at some speed and colliding with M2 traveling upwards. I think that's what the authors must be intending, anyway.

 

[rude man]

Use potential energy conservation.
(I assume M1 originally sits on top of M2. You should also define d and D though I imagine they are the diameters of M1 and M2 respectively).

 

[haruspex]

I assume that the balls are so small compared to the distance dropped that we can effectively treat them as point masses.

I use the collision formula:
(9.89)(1.1)=(.2)(v)

What formula is that, exactly? What does it apply to? What are the velocities of the two balls immediately before they collide?

 

[HalfLostAndSearching]

Hello,

Thank you for providing your attempt at a solution. I can see that you have correctly calculated the initial velocity of the smaller ball, but there are a few mistakes in your calculations afterwards.

Firstly, in the collision formula, the masses should be multiplied together, not added. So it should be (9.89)(1.1) = (0.2)(v), which gives a final velocity of 54.337 m/s for the smaller ball.

Next, when using the equation vf^2 = vi^2 + 2ad, you need to use the final velocity of the smaller ball (54.337 m/s) and the initial velocity of the larger ball (9.89 m/s) since they are the two objects involved in the collision. This gives a displacement of 106.8 m, which is closer to the correct answer of 106 m.

However, there is one more step that needs to be taken into account. After the collision, the larger ball will also have a velocity, which needs to be taken into account when calculating the maximum height it will reach. This can be done by using the equation vf^2 = vi^2 + 2ad again, but this time using the final velocity of the larger ball (9.89 m/s) and the initial velocity of 0 m/s. This gives a displacement of 25.9 m, which when added to the initial height of 5 m, gives a maximum height of 30.9 m.

I hope this helps and clarifies the solution for you. Keep up the good work!