Electric charge

1. Jun 29, 2006

tony873004

Figure 19-38 shows an electron entering a parallel-plate capacitor with a speed of v = 5.25 106 m/s. The electric field of the capacitor has deflected the electron downward by a distance of d = 0.626 cm at the point where the electron exits the capacitor.

(a) Find the magnitude of the electric field in the capacitor.
b) Find the speed of the electron when it exits the capacitor.

Part A:
E=F/q, but q is not given
F=ma, but m is not given
F=kQq/r2
I don't know where to start.

Part B:
Compute time:
$$\begin{array}{l} t = \frac{d}{v} \\ \\ t = \frac{{0.025m}}{{5.25 \times 10^6 m/s}} = 4.2857 \times 10^{ - 8} s \\ \end{array}$$

Compute acceleration:
$$\begin{array}{l} y_f = y_i + v_i t + 0.5at^2 \\ \\ a = \frac{{y_f - y_i - v_i t}}{{0.5t^2 }} \\ \\ a = \frac{{0.626m - 0 - 0t}}{{0.5t^2 }} \\ \\ a = \frac{{0.00626m}}{{0.5\left( {4.2857 \times 10^{ - 8} s} \right)^2 }} = 6.81644 \times 10^{12} m/s^2 \\ \end{array}$$

Compute velocity:
$$\begin{array}{l} v_{y,f} = v_{y,i} + at \\ \\ v_{y,f} = 0 + 6.81644 \times 10^{12} \times 4.2857 \times 10^{ - 8} \\ \\ v_{y,f} = 292133.33 \\ \\ v_f = \sqrt {v_{y,f}^2 + v_x^2 } \\ \\ v_f = \sqrt {(292133.33m/s)^2 + (5.25 \times 10^6 m/s)^2} \\ \\ v_f = 5.258122 \times 10^6 m/s \\ \end{array}$$

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2. Jun 29, 2006

Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
What are the question sof part A and B?

3. Jun 29, 2006

tony873004

Oops. Maybe that's why I'm confused. I don't know what they're asking :).

I edited the post to include the questions. Thanks for pointing that out.

4. Jun 29, 2006

Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
1.)

F=ma where m is the mass of an electron.
E=F/q where q is the charge of the electron

I'll have a look at 2.)

5. Jun 29, 2006

tony873004

Thanks, that's what I was thinking, but I can't trust my answer since I seem to have gotten acceleration wrong in part b, unless my mistake in part b comes after my computation of acceleration.

6. Jun 29, 2006

Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
To be honest part b looks ok to me. Do you have the real answer and perhaps I could work backwards? Probably the fact its past midnight here is not helping me think straight ;)

7. Jun 29, 2006

Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
Is the answer 6x10^6 m/s? If so I'll tell you how I arrived at that.

8. Jun 29, 2006

tony873004

I don't know what the answer is. The online grading system gave me the red x on the answer I put. In fact, I'm out of guesses, so I can't try 6e6. But I'd still like to know how to do it, and I still need a good value for acceleration for the f=ma part.

Just curious. If you think it's 6e6, then where did we depart in methods?

Thanks for your help so far.

9. Jun 29, 2006

Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
To calculate the velocity i used:

V^2=u^2+2as

That was all really as far as acceleration was concerned I concur with yourself. The final answer was 5.99....... some other bunch of numbers so i rounded it up.

10. Jun 30, 2006

tony873004

What is u and what is s?

For part A, it gives the units for the answer as N/C.

I used my acceleration value of 6.81644e12 with the mass of an electron, 9.11e-31, and the charge of an electron 1.6e-19 C.

6.81644e12 m/s2* 9.11e-31 kg / 1.6e-19 C
-38.11 N/C

But it says this is wrong too. This problem looks so simple.

11. Jun 30, 2006

Staff: Mentor

Redo this calculation. It's off by a factor of 10.

12. Jun 30, 2006

tony873004

Thanks for catching that. It's off by more than that. Now I get
4.76E-09

I'll blame it on the calculator :)

13. Jun 30, 2006

Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
u is initial velocity and s is displacement. With the numbers for part a that you've quoted i get 38.81 N/C. I fear perhaps there are just a few computational errors. As far as I can see the method for A is fine just computational errors perhaps (remember it says magnitude aswell) and if you do part b with the formula i used that should be alright.

14. Jun 30, 2006

Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
Oh well there you are how did I not spot that!

15. Jun 30, 2006

tony873004

Typos galore in this one! Where I wrote 0.025 should read 0.0225, which is the number I used in the calculator. So I am off by exactly 1 magnitude like Doc Al said, and not more like I thought I was.

The answer for part A is 3881. This is exactly 2 magnitudes off of the answer we were getting, which is not surprising since time was off by 1 magnitude and it gets squared.

Thanks Kurdt and Doc Al. Now I understand :)

16. Jun 30, 2006

Kurdt

Staff Emeritus
Was doc al mainly I have to say but its weird cos I tried the time numbers myself and because it was an exact order of magnitude out I did not notice. Apologies.