Can Electrochemical Degreasing be Affected by Chlorides and Soap?

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The discussion centers on the effects of chlorides and soap contamination on the electrochemical degreasing process. Participants explore the mechanisms involved in degreasing, the role of produced gases, and the interactions between bath constituents and contaminants.

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  • One participant questions how chlorides or soap contamination adversely affects the degreasing process and whether the production of chlorine instead of hydrogen or oxygen alters the mechanism.
  • Another participant suggests that the presence of an alkaline cleaner, such as sodium hydroxide, may react with contaminants, reducing the effectiveness of the degreasing solution.
  • A later reply indicates that the reaction between chlorine and bath constituents leads to soluble compounds, which may not effectively contribute to degreasing, raising concerns about the efficiency of the process.
  • One participant proposes that the electrochemical series should be studied to determine which reactions occur first and questions whether the presence of NaCl affects the breakdown of oil into hydroxide sludge or soap.

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Participants express differing views on the specific mechanisms at play and the implications of chlorides and soap on the degreasing efficiency. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these interactions.

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Participants highlight the need for further understanding of the electrochemical reactions involved and the potential impact of contaminants on the degreasing process. There are unresolved questions about the specific reactions and their consequences for efficiency.

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Hi,
Why contamination of the bath for electrochemical degreasing by chlorides or soap adversly affects degreasing of parts?
What's the difference if chlorine is produced instead of hydrogen or oxygen? I thought that this gases only help the grease to break away from the part's surface.

I'm really courious about mechanism of degreasing. Does the current only cause water electrolysis which results in hydrogen production in cathodic degreasing or oxidation of hydroxyl ion which results in oxygen production in case of anodic degreasing? In this case degreasing process is exactly the same as in chemical degreasing except that produced gases helps the grease to break away from the surface.
Or does the current cause any additional reactions with grease which helps to clean the part's surface?
Thanks for your help!
 
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I would expect the tank to contain an alkaline cleaner such as sodium hydroxide. That will react with contaminants such as chlorine or a polar detergent. Such a reaction will reduce the availability of the alkaline cleaner.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332192238/figure/download/tbl1/AS:743977351393288@1554389431909/Composition-of-degreasing-solution-and-process-parameters.png
 
Thanks, I understand the chlorine will react with bath constituents which mostly gives us soluble compunds which will dissociate on ions, right? So we are back to square one and we have chlorides in the bath again.
So is the decrease of the degreasing efficiency due to the fact that the bath ingredients are constantly reacting with chloride or chlorine instead of reacting with grease and surface contaminants?
 
You will need to study the electrochemical series to identify which reaction will take place first, at the lowest voltage. Where does the current flow ?
I suspect the oil on the metal surface is being broken down into a hydroxide sludge or soap, that then floats to the surface and can be skimmed off. Will that reaction continue in the presence of NaCl ? Will chlorine be released as a gas into the workplace ?
 

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