After doing soemtime here researching the issues of quantum gravity and quantum geometry is has become pretty plain that we are operating from a area below planck length that requires some rules about the order that would have to emerge? Is it unitary, that we might have look to people like Lauglin to help us describe a feature about self organzational principles that we had not realized could underly the structure of the nature of this reality. Post Cards from The Edge http://www.fortunecity.com/emachines/e11/86/graphics/beneath/BENEATH2.gif Postcard from the edge: maybe we can never see much deeper into reality than the level of these subatomic particles Part of Smolins distilliation was to look at Laughlin as well in his summation about what could possibly be considered from differing theoretical arsenals, to help us along here. So what langauge shall we adopt to help orientate our thinking, to deal with this strange world of uncertainty and bring out of it, a tangible way in which to deal nature phiosophy? So here for the first time we can all agree on some basic principles that require theoretical developement to answer from a unifying/unifying principle? I thank Marcus for his thread on Unitariness, as it is something I have been holding off on speaking about, and then quite honestly slipped my mind. So to help some people along I would have liked to place Smolin's summation( I have not found this paper yet) and paper, for those who know what I am talking about. You might have seen this distilliation process was a good one for summarizing and might have been a good venture for one like Lubos or Baez to project on? Certain mathes arise out of such logical reflectiveness? But anyway back to Robert Laughlin here. Such principles ahve been spoken on in regards tothe higg's boson as a underlying factor about such consolidations, that the story of the professor crossing the rooms has certain implications tied to it. So who is right from this platonic ideas of discrete function or the Pythagorean string harmonies of nature? What are First Principles and I have been thinking about this a long time. Lauglin abhorrs this term? Historically, such ventures have been inbreed, in our inquistiveness it seems. The questions of what math might emerge from such area below planck length is really a quest to find the math structures that would make it apporpriate, to talk about such organzation principles. So has LQG and String found something that Platoism and Pythagoreans, had not? Look at how well these two archetypal forms have materialize in modern efforts?