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Emf problem

  1. Apr 10, 2005 #1
    A magnetic field is given in the xz-plane by B=Bo/x j Wb/M^2. Consider a rigid square loop situated in the xz-plane with its vertices at (Xo,Zo), (Xo,Zo+b),(Xo+a,Zo+b) and (Xo+a,Zo). If the loop is moving in that plane with the velocity [tex]V = V_{o}\vec{i}[/tex] m/s what is the induced emf using Faraday's law

    Can someone check my magnetic flux set up

    [tex]\psi=\int_{s}B\cdot\,ds=\int_{x=0}^{x+Vot} \int_{z=0}^{b}\frac{Bo}{x}\vec{j}\cdot\, dx\,dz\vec{j}[/tex]
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  3. Apr 10, 2005 #2


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    First find the position of the corners of the loop for any time. Remember, both sides of the loop are moving in the x direction (right now you only have one moving, which means your loop is expanding). Don't forget the corners of the loop are at x0 and z0, not 0 and 0.
  4. Apr 10, 2005 #3
    [tex]\psi=\int_{s}B\cdot\,ds=\int_{xo}^{xo+Vot} \int_{zo}^{zo+Vot}\frac{Bo}{x}\vec{j}\cdot\, dx\,dz\vec{j}[/tex]

    My problem is that I don't understand well how to get the position of the corners of the loop for any time because there is not even one example with moving loop in the book.
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  5. Apr 10, 2005 #4

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    You want to find the time rate of change of flux so:

    Emf [tex] = \frac{d\phi}{dt} =\frac{d}{dt}\int_{A}B\cdot dA[/tex]

    To express flux as a function of t:

    [tex]\phi(x) = \int_{x}^{x + a} b \frac{B_0}{x}dx = bB_0\int_{x}^{x + a} \frac{1}{x}dx = bB_0(ln(\frac{x+a}{x}))[/tex]

    Since x = vt:

    [tex]\phi(t) = bB_0(ln(\frac{vt+a}{vt}))[/tex]

    So the time rate of change of flux is?...

  6. Apr 10, 2005 #5
    So my approach is wrong?

    [tex]\psi=\int_{s}B\cdot\,ds=\int_{xo}^{xo+Vot} \int_{zo}^{zo+Vot}\frac{Bo}{x}\vec{j}\cdot\, dx\,dz\vec{j}[/tex]

    and then find emf

    [tex]\oint_{c}E\cdot\,dl=-\frac{d}{dt} \int_{s}B\cdot dS [/tex]

    I know my set up of position of corners at any time could be wrong, but why didn't you integrate wrt dz. I understand that the magnetic field is independent of z. Thanks
  7. Apr 10, 2005 #6

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    Just a little confused.

    The left side is just the electric potential or emf. The right side is the rate of change of flux (I prefer to use A for area to avoid confusion with Ampere's law.)

    To work out the flux through the loop, you have to integrate B over the area. But B is a function of x only, so you can avoid integrating over z by simply letting dA = bdx and integrating over x only. Dividing the area into little strips of length b and width dx and integrating B from x = x to x = x+a gives you the
    total flux at a given point.

  8. Apr 10, 2005 #7
    Now I understood very well. Thank you very much.
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