Is the change in internal energy really a state function?

In summary, the change in internal energy in isobaric processes is a state function, which would mean that the work done on the gas in process A is more than in process B, and the energy transferred thermally to the gas in process A is more than in process B.
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Homework Statement
(Figure 1) shows two processes, A and B, for moving 3.45 × 10^22 particles of a monatomic ideal gas from state i to state f. Which process requires a smaller magnitude of the energy Q transferred thermally to the gas?
Relevant Equations
$$\Delta E=W+Q$$
$$PV=Nk_BT$$
$$Q=\tfrac{d}{2}Nk_BT \text{ (isochoric process)}$$
$$Q=NC_p\Delta T \text{ (isobaric process) }$$
Here is the figure:
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The answer is $$Q_A<Q_B$$ which I can show by calculation using the above equations. What's confusing to me is I thought that the change in internal energy was a state function. Which would mean since the initial and final points are the same, $$\Delta E_A=\Delta E_B$$ or by the 1st law of thermodynamics $$W_A+Q_A=W_B+Q_B$$ Since W is the area under the curve (and positive in this case since the gas is being compressed), $$W_A<W_B$$ So the work done on the gas in process A is less than in process B, and the energy transferred thermally to the gas in process A is less than in process B. Which, since all values are positive, seems like it contradicts the original assumption that the change in internal energy was a state function, since it seems like the change in internal energy has to be less in process A. What am I missing here?
 
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msw1 said:
The answer is ##Q_A<Q_B## which I can show by calculation using the above equations.
Can you show that calculation? There is heat involved in both parts of both transitions.
 
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mfb said:
Can you show that calculation? There is heat involved in both parts of both transitions.
Sure, energy transferred thermally in the isobaric processes is
$$Q=NC_p\Delta T$$
$$Q=N\left(\tfrac{d}{2}+1\right)k_b\Delta T$$
And ##\Delta T = \frac{P\Delta V}{Nk_B}## by the ideal gas law so
$$Q=P\Delta V\left(\tfrac{d}{2}+1\right)$$
And then for the isochoric processes
$$Q=\tfrac{d}{2}Nk_B\Delta T$$
And ##\Delta T = \frac{\Delta P V}{Nk_B}## so
$$Q = \tfrac{d}{2}(\Delta P)V$$
So the overall energy transferred thermally in each process is
$$P\Delta V\left(\tfrac{d}{2}+1\right)+\tfrac{d}{2}(\Delta P)V$$
Taking d to be 3 since this is a monatomic gas, the energy transferred thermally in process A is then
$$9680\cdot1.3(\tfrac{3}{2}+1)+\tfrac{3}{2}\cdot12720\cdot0.45=40046J$$
And then the energy transferred thermally in process B is
$$22400\cdot1.3(\tfrac{3}{2}+1)+\tfrac{3}{2}\cdot12720\cdot1.75=106190J$$
So ##Q_A<Q_B##, which my homework grader says is correct.
 
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What is the sign of ##\Delta V##?
 
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What is the sign of ##\Delta V##?
Oh, that was it! So ##|Q_A|<|Q_B|## like the question asked, but ##Q_A>Q_B##, and so there is no contradiction. Thanks!
 
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What is energy as a state function?

Energy as a state function refers to the concept that the total energy of a system is determined by its current state or condition, and is independent of how the system arrived at that state. This means that the path taken to reach a certain state does not affect the total energy of the system.

Why is energy considered a state function?

Energy is considered a state function because it is dependent only on the current state of a system and not on the path taken to reach that state. This means that the total energy of a system can be determined by knowing the initial and final states, without needing to know the details of the process in between.

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Energy is related to work and heat through the first law of thermodynamics, which states that the change in internal energy of a system is equal to the heat added to the system minus the work done by the system. This means that energy can be transferred between a system and its surroundings through work and heat.

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