Calculating Speed of m3 Using Energy Concepts in a Frictionless System

In summary, the conversation discusses using energy concepts to find the speed of a mass (m3) after it has moved down 4m in a system of three objects connected by strings over frictionless pulleys. The conversation emphasizes the importance of considering the initial and final positions of m3 due to the conservative nature of gravity.
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jman1211
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I am not sure how to do this problem without using netF=ma.

Three objects with masses, m1 = 5 kg, m2 = 10 kg, and m3 = 15kg, are attached by strings over frictionless pulleys. The horizontal surface is frictionless, and the system is released from rest. Using energy concepts, find the speed of m3 after it moves down 4m.

And the picture has a table with m1 hanging off of one side, m2 on the table, and m3 hanging off of the right side.

I have no idea how to start this problem, it is probably easy
 
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Draw the system in its initial configuration and write down an expression for the total energy. What does the fact that it is being released "from rest" tell you about the kinetic energies of each block?

Then draw the system after Block 3 has moved 4 m, and write down the total energy in that case.

Then, what physical law can you use that pertains to energy?
 
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work=change in kinetic energy?
 
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The principle I am getting at is conservation of energy. You don't need to consider work here because the only force at play here is gravity, which is conservative. That means you can write down an expression for potential energy for the gravitational force.
 
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Oh, of course, so the whole problem only depends on the initial and final positions of m3 because gravitiy is a conservative force.

That makes it easier, thanks a lot. I forgot about that section.
 
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Looks like you've got it. :cool:
 

1. What is the formula for calculating speed of m3 in a frictionless system using energy concepts?

The formula for calculating speed of m3 is: Speed = square root (2 x Energy / m3).

2. How do you determine the energy in a frictionless system?

The energy in a frictionless system can be determined by using the equation: Energy = mass x acceleration x distance.

3. Is friction a factor in calculating the speed of m3 using energy concepts?

No, friction is not a factor in this calculation as it is assumed to be a frictionless system.

4. Can the speed of m3 be calculated using energy concepts in a non-frictionless system?

Yes, the formula for calculating speed of m3 in a non-frictionless system is: Speed = square root (2 x (Energy - Friction) / m3).

5. How does the mass of m3 impact the speed calculation in a frictionless system?

The mass of m3 has a direct impact on the speed calculation as it is part of the formula. A heavier m3 will result in a slower speed, while a lighter m3 will result in a faster speed.

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