# Engineering statics questions

1. Aug 31, 2013

### Mdhiggenz

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Hello everyone,

I have a few questions regarding the problem below.

1. I did the process for solving γ correct however I took the 60° angle instead of the 120° angle. The below solution states that γ>90°. Why must is be greater, than 90°, and when would it have been smaller?

2. I got a big confused when solving for the projected portion of the triangle. What I did initially was solve for the hypotenuse of the projection which I thought would be

F'=450sin(45°), and just use that F' to find the x, and y components, however that was completely wrong it seems.

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3. The attempt at a solution

2. Aug 31, 2013

### Simon Bridge

Where is γ measured from?
If F2 pointing above pr below the x-y plane?

F1 forms the hypotenuse of a 45deg triangle, Is this the one you mean?

The x-y projection would start with what you did[*]: F'=F1/√2
How did you get the x and y components from there?

Note: the angles are very friendly.
i.e. sin(45)=cos(45)=1/√2, sin(30)=cos(30)=1/2, etc.

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[*] except it's the cosine - doesn't matter to the result though.
Does matter for the next results.

Last edited: Aug 31, 2013
3. Sep 1, 2013

### Mdhiggenz

γ is measured from the z axis to F2. It seems that F2 is below the xy plane. For the projection what I mean was for the 30degree the way my mind analyzes it is that we get the x components of both triangles e.g 30 and 45 degree.

Which would mean that 450*cos(45) would be the x component for the 45 degree right triangle, and cos(30) would be for the 30 degree triangle.

Which would make the i comonent. 450*cos(45)cos(30), however the solution above has it as 450*cos(45) sin(30)

4. Sep 1, 2013

### Simon Bridge

... and? Relate this answer back to your question:
The below solution states that γ>90°. Why must is be greater, than 90°, and when would it have been smaller?

What does your answer mean for the size of γ?
If F2 were exactly in the x-y plane, what would γ equal?
Since it is below the x-y plane, would γ be bigger or smaller than this value?

Looks like you got the sines and cosines mixed up.
You got it right for if the 30deg angle was measured from the +x axis like normal - but it isn't.
It can help if you sketch the triangle out separately and label the sides before working out which is the adjacent and which the opposite sides.

5. Sep 1, 2013

### Mdhiggenz

Oh because since it is below the xy plane that would mean it would be in either quadrants 3 or 4, but would that mean it should be γ>180 not 90?. I do understand though that the max a triangle can be is 180 I just don't understand that relation.

For the projection of the 30 degree triangle I now see that it is on the yz plane. But still dont see how that would help me. Even if I labeled the sides, for example I know that cos(30) would be on the y axis now. But I cant see how that is in any way related to the X axis.

6. Sep 1, 2013

### Simon Bridge

Careful: $\gamma$ cannot be bigger than 180deg.

What is the angle between the z-axis and anywhere on the x-y plane?

It isn't. But the angle is to the y axis in the x-y plane. The formula $x=r\cos\theta$ only works for when $\theta$ is measured from the x axis.

If $\cos(30)$ is on the y axis, then what is the trig function that would be on the x axis?