Tangent Plane Equation with Partial Derivatives

In summary: The problem is that I was given a function and I am trying to find the tangent plane at a given point. Specifically, the point is (1,1) and the function is given by f(x,y,z). I tried solving for z but I get something different every time. The thing that makes it difficult is that the partial is in front of z. can you help me out?
  • #1
amcavoy
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I know that a tangent plane is given by:

[tex]a(x-x_0)+b(y-y_0)+c(z-z_0)=0[/tex]

Where <a,b,c> is the gradient vector. When I was given the problem of writing an equation (z=...) for it, I replaced <a,b,c> with the partials that compose the gradient vector:

[tex]\left<a,b,c\right >=\left<\frac{\partial f}{\partial x},\frac{\partial f}{\partial y},\frac{\partial f}{\partial z}\right >[/tex]

Now I have:

[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(x-x_0)+\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}(y-y_0)+\frac{\partial f}{\partial z}(z-z_0)=0[/tex]

This is where I am having trouble solving for z because of the partial in front of it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot.
 
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  • #2
i don't understand what's the problem here
:: Though partial is infront of z put it is operating on f only ::
 
  • #3
I mean, when I try to solve for z, I come up with:

[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial z}(z-z_0)=-\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(x-x_0)-\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}(y-y_0)[/tex]

From here, I want to solve for z, but when I do so I come up with something different than it should be.
 
  • #4
its called "division".
 
  • #5
mathwonk said:
its called "division".

Of course, I know that. I'm just saying that when I solve, I come up with something totally different than what it should be. I was basically wondering whether I set it up wrong, but I guess not.
 
  • #6
? i think u don't want to solve PDE
 
  • #7
I might be mistaken but with your formula, isn't it supposed to be the partial derivatives evaluated at the given point so its not just df/dx but (df/dx)(x,y,z). In that case the partial derivative part is just a constant. In any case I think its better to find the tangent plane from the gradient vector "dotted" with (X-x_0) where X = (x,y,z,) and x_0 is your given point.
 
  • #8
alexmcavoy@gmail.com said:
Of course, I know that. I'm just saying that when I solve, I come up with something totally different than what it should be. I was basically wondering whether I set it up wrong, but I guess not.

Then you should tell us exactly what the problem says, what answer you got, and what you were told the correct answer should be.

Any time your answer does not match the answer given in the book, there are three possibilities:

1) Your answer might be wrong!

2) The books answer might be wrong! (Doesn't happen often but it happens)

3) You might have the same the same answer as the book but written in a different form.
(A friend and I once came up with "different" answers to a problem. It took us three days to show that they were, in fact, the same.)
 
  • #9
Apparently, the answer is supposed to be:

[tex]z=f_x(x_0,y_0)(x-x_0)+f_y(x_0,y_0)(y-y_0)+f(x_0,y_0)[/tex]

When I try to solve my way, I come up with that PDE (I think) and I don't want to just multiply both sides by [tex]\frac{\partial z}{\partial f}[/tex], so I need to know how the real answer was arrived at.

Thanks again for all of your help.
 
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  • #10
We have asked you repeatedly to state exactly what the problem is. In your first post you take the gradient of the function f(x,y,z) but in your last post you have f(x0,y0). How is the surface given? Is it f(x,y,z)= constant or z= f(x,y)?

If it is the latter, then the answer you give in your last post is correct and follows immediately from the formula you give in your first post by thinking of the surface as F(x,y,z)= f(x,y)-z which has gradient <fx,fy,-1>. The fz you are worrying about is just -1.
For example, if z= x2+ xy, to find the tangent plane at (1,1) let F(x,y,z)= x2+ xy- z so that the gradient is <2x+ y, x, -1> which is <3, 1, -1> at (1,1). z(1,1)= 2 so the tangent plane there is 3(x-1)+ 1(y-1)- 1(z- 2)= 0 or
z= 3(x-1)+ (y-1)+ 2.

If it is the former, then the answer in your last post is impossible. What you would do is use the formula in your first post evaluating the derivatives at the given point so they are just numbers.

For example, if f(x,y,z)= x2+ xy+ z2= 3, to find the tangent plane at (1, 1, 1), find the gradient of f= <2x+ y, x, 2z> and evaluate it at (1, 1, 1):
<3, 1, 2>. The equation of the tangent plane is 3(x-1)+ 1(y-1)+ 2(z-1)= 0.
 
  • #11
Alright that answered my question. Thank you.

I realize I didn't make my question very clear and I appologize about that. :)
 

1. What is the equation of a tangent plane?

The equation of a tangent plane is a mathematical representation of a flat surface that touches a curved surface at only one point. It is used in calculus to approximate the behavior of a function at a specific point.

2. How is the equation of a tangent plane calculated?

The equation of a tangent plane is calculated using the partial derivatives of the function at the point of tangency. These derivatives are used to determine the slope of the tangent line, which is then used to find the equation of the tangent plane.

3. What is the significance of the equation of a tangent plane?

The equation of a tangent plane is significant because it allows us to approximate the behavior of a function at a specific point. This information is useful in many fields, including physics, engineering, and economics, where understanding the behavior of a function at a given point is crucial for making predictions and solving problems.

4. How is the equation of a tangent plane used in real-world applications?

The equation of a tangent plane is used in many real-world applications, such as optimization problems, finding maximum and minimum values, and curve fitting. It is also used in computer graphics to create 3D models and in physics to analyze the behavior of objects in motion.

5. Can the equation of a tangent plane be used for any type of function?

Yes, the equation of a tangent plane can be used for any type of function, including polynomial, exponential, trigonometric, and logarithmic functions. However, the function must be differentiable at the point of tangency for the equation of the tangent plane to be accurate.

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