How does raising a variable to a power affect the error in measurement?

In summary, the conversation discusses the difficulty of determining the error in a variable raised to a power, specifically the error in measuring 1/t^2 when the error in measuring t is +-0.13s. The individual suggests using the error % instead of algebraic manipulation, but is unsure if this is the correct method. They also mention finding a pattern where the error in measuring t^n is approximately equal to |n| times the error %, but are unsure if this is the correct approach. They ask for clarification on the terminology and for help in understanding how to manipulate errors in variables raised to powers.
  • #1
kwah
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Hi,

For an experiment I have a value for the error in time t (s) to be +-0.13s but I'm having difficulty getting from this to an error in t^-2 for the error bars drawn onto a graph.

My values for t are in the range 36.84 - 24.88seconds.
The range for t^-2 is 0.0007368 - 0.0016155 s^-2.


My initial thought is that the error would simply follow the algebvraic manipulation of t, but that would give values such as 0.0008 +-59.172s which seems ridiculous.

Secondly I thought maybe work with the error % instead. The percentage error in t is approximately 0.42% (100 * 0.13/{mean of t values}).
(0.42%)^2 = 0.00176% and
(0.42%)^-2 ~5670000%.

This definitely leads me to believe that the error for a reciprocal should not also be a reciprocal but doesn't really get me much closer to getting the error values.



A rough attempt at sticking some nice numbers in doesn't help too much:

100 +-10
100^2 = 90^2 to 110^2
= 8100 to 12100
= 10100 +-2000

(same again for cubing it and base 10 but on paper).


From that I can somewhat see that the ^2 & +-2000 and ^3 & +-301000 might be related somehow but none of it seems immediately intuitive / obvious.

Searches for 'error squared' (and variations thereof) show many results for mean square error and root mean square and a few results I found here point to error propogation but I didn't find the brief look at error propogation accessible - maybe its simply lack of sleep but it just went in one eye and out the other.





So yeah, basically just a very long winded way of asking:
How should errors get manipulated? Specifically, how does an error in a variable get affected if the variable is raised to a power?

I don't mind reading up about it if you point me to somewhere that the answer is definitely at as I'm not normally one to ask for answers to be served to me but on a short deadline I'd like something pretty quick and accessible please :)



Thanks,
kwah



PS, apologies if this is in the wrong section but I think that the issue I'm having is simply just a simple math / manipulation issue :) .
 
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  • #2
Let me see if I understand your first question:

If the error in measuring the variable [tex] t [/tex] is [tex] \pm h[/tex] about the actual value [tex] t_0 [/tex] what is the error in measuring [tex] \frac{1}{t^2} [/tex] ?

You want some bound other than
[tex] \frac{1}{(t_0 \pm h)^2} - \frac{1}{t_0^2} [/tex] ?

You want a bound independent of [tex] t_0 [/tex] ?
 
  • #3
Stephen Tashi said:
Let me see if I understand your first question:

If the error in measuring the variable [tex] t [/tex] is [tex] \pm h[/tex] about the actual value [tex] t_0 [/tex] what is the error in measuring [tex] \frac{1}{t^2} [/tex] ?

Edit: Yes, I think so though I fear not a perfect yes.
To clarify, within an experiment I have a timer error in the the variable [tex] t [/tex] of [tex] \pm 0.13s [/tex]. I believe this to be constant for all values of [tex] t [/tex].

The value I need to plot on a graph is [tex] \frac{1}{t^2} [/tex] but do not know how large the error bars should be.

I have approximated the error % by using 0.13s against the mean of all values of [tex] t [/tex] and it appears to be a possbile method for this but I do not believe I do not need to use the error %.. I just want the (ablsoute?) error that I should use on my graph.
Stephen Tashi said:
You want some bound other than
[tex] \frac{1}{(t_0 \pm h)^2} - \frac{1}{t_0^2} [/tex] ?

You want a bound independent of [tex] t_0 [/tex] ?

Apologies, I'm not familiar with the terminology. That might be what I'm looking for but I really do not know ;)I guess what I'm trying to achieve is to start with variable [tex]t \pm h[/tex] and find out what happens to the value of [tex] h [/tex] if you were to raise [tex] t [/tex] to an arbitrary power.After pushing forward with putting the numbers in and trying to spot a pattern it appears that I have found this which appears to be (nearly) true::

[tex] (t_n)^n \pm h_n [/tex]
[tex] (t_n)^n \pm ( |n| \times \frac{h_1}{t_1} \times 100 ) \% [/tex]Examples (please forgive the horrifically long lines..):
[tex] 200^1 \pm 5 [/tex]
[tex] 200^1 \pm (|1| \times 2.5) \% = 200^1 \pm 2.5 \% = 195 to 205 = 200 \pm 5[/tex]
[tex] 200^2 \pm (|2| \times 2.5) \% = 200^2 \pm 5 \% = 40000 \pm 1000 = 39000 to 41000 \approx 195^2 to 205^2 = 38025 to 42025 = 40025 \pm 5 \%[/tex]
[tex] 200^3 \pm (|3| \times 2.5) \% = 200^3 \pm 7.5 \% = 8000000 \pm 600000 = 7400000 to 8600000 \approx 195^3 to 205^3 = 7414875 to 8615125 = 8015000 \pm 7.5 \%[/tex]

The same holds for the integer values of n<0 that I've plugged in but I can't be bothered to type it all out ;)
As I said, it appears to be nearly true but I do not understand why it is only an approximation or what the "correct" method should be... Maybe it helps to explain what I'm trying to find though?
 
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What is "Error in reciprocal t^2" and why is it important?

"Error in reciprocal t^2" refers to the error or uncertainty in the calculation of the reciprocal of a value raised to the power of 2. This calculation is important in many scientific and mathematical equations, and the error in this calculation can affect the overall accuracy of the results.

How is the error in reciprocal t^2 calculated?

The error in reciprocal t^2 is calculated using the standard error propagation formula, which takes into account the uncertainties in the original value and the power to which it is raised. This formula allows for a more accurate estimation of the error in the final calculation.

What factors can contribute to the error in reciprocal t^2?

The error in reciprocal t^2 can be affected by a variety of factors, including the precision of the original value, the accuracy of the measurement, and any rounding or truncation errors in the calculation. It can also be influenced by any uncertainties in the power to which the value is raised.

How can the error in reciprocal t^2 be minimized?

To minimize the error in reciprocal t^2, it is important to use accurate and precise measurements for the original value and to reduce any rounding or truncation errors in the calculation. Additionally, using more precise instruments and reducing the uncertainty in the power calculation can also help to minimize the error.

What are the implications of a large error in reciprocal t^2?

A large error in reciprocal t^2 can significantly affect the accuracy of the final calculation. This can lead to incorrect results and potentially misleading conclusions. It is therefore important to carefully consider and minimize the error in reciprocal t^2 to ensure the accuracy of scientific findings.

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