This is a continuation of the essence and form discussion started in Materialism vs Idealism. A summary: FZ hypothesis: essence = form, to at least a close degree. The two cannot be separated. Iacchus theory: essence is eternal and forms the focus around which form can accrete. LW Sleeth: FZ, that doesn't make sense... ----- Iacchus: Why do you consider cognitive to be eternal? I think of it as the ultimate example where form and pattern mean the essence we call consciousness.