Evaluating Electric Dipole Potential: qd cos \theta?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the electric dipole potential, specifically focusing on the algebraic manipulation of the scalar product of the dipole moment and the unit vector in the potential equation. Participants explore the mathematical expressions involved in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the electric dipole potential formula and seeks clarification on evaluating the scalar product, suggesting it may yield qd cos θ.
  • Another participant proposes expanding the fraction involving the dipole moment and the unit vector, indicating a potential alternative expression for the dipole potential.
  • A participant questions the expansion process and confirms the definitions of the unit vector and its relationship with the vector r.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the relationship between the dipole moment and the vector r, leading to the expression p r cos θ.
  • A participant inquires if the evaluation of the scalar product leads to a specific form of the electric dipole potential, which is affirmed by another participant.
  • One participant expresses satisfaction with the algebraic explanation provided, indicating a clearer understanding of the equations involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the algebraic manipulations and the resulting expressions for the electric dipole potential, but there is no explicit consensus on the initial evaluation of the scalar product as qd cos θ, as it is presented as a proposal rather than an established fact.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of vectors and their norms, and the steps involved in manipulating the potential equation are not fully resolved, leaving some aspects open to interpretation.

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Hello

The electric dipole potential is

V (\textbf{r}) = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_o} \frac{\textbf{p}\bullet \hat{r} }{r^2}

I am trying to figure out the algebra in my book. How do you evaluate the scalar product of the dipole moment and the unit vector in the above equation?

I get qd cos \theta but i am not sure if that is right.

Thank you
 
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You might expand the fraction with |\vec r|!

This yields
\phi (\vec r) = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_o} \frac{\vec p \cdot |\vec r^{\,}|\hat{r} }{r^3}​
Maybe you cope with this!?
 
I don't understand how you expand the fraction. The vector, r in brackets is the norm of r?

I see that r-hat is the unit vector. Shouldnt r-hat = r / |r|
 
you're right


\hat r = \frac{\vec r}{|\vec r^{\,}|} \qquad \Leftrightarrow \qquad \hat r \cdot |\vec r^{\,}| = \vec r​


this applied to the primary equation yields


\phi (\vec r) = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_o} \frac{\vec p \cdot |\vec r^{\,}|\hat{r} }{r^3} = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_o} \frac{\vec p \cdot \vec {r} }{r^3}​


it follows, that


\vec p \cdot \vec r = p r \cos \vartheta​


do you agree?
 
So does that mean that after evaluating the scalar product (where p = qd) the electric dipole potential would equal to

V(r) = \frac{q d cos\theta}{4 \pi \epsilon_o r^2}
 
Absolutely right! I hope that is a sufficient answer to your question!?
 
Yes I can now see the whole alegebra behind the equations in the book!

Thanks very much Saunderson!
 

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