# News Even the conservatives have turned on Bush

1. Sep 23, 2005

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
A massive federal budget deficit

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/political_wrap/july-dec05/sb_9-23.html [Broken]

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2. Sep 23, 2005

### pattylou

But... but.... but.... he gave me a tax break!

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3. Sep 23, 2005

### SOS2008

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092001704.html

I've seen conflicting news reports on this, such as what percent of Americans are fiscal conservatives (I understand they are all here in Arizona) and how much clout they really have. What bothers me is not the spending of money on relief efforts--that's obviously needed, but rather the existing debt due to tax cuts, the invasion of Iraq, and pork spending in bills such as the highway bill.

In the meantime Bush supporters are accusing Dems of the "big government" spin, while claiming Katrina relief is the conservatives' vision of how to fight the war on poverty. Right.

4. Sep 23, 2005

### pattylou

There were lots of headlines on newsgoogle, I found the statistic quoted above amazing. I didn't realize party affiliation could change so radically in the course of a year.

Same source:

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5. Sep 23, 2005

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
A quote from Washington Week, tonight.

From a source close to the Bush Admin: " We are now in the post Bush Republican era"

But we still have all of those hypocrites in Congress...

6. Sep 23, 2005

### SOS2008

I don't see Bush recovering unless things really turn around in Iraq. At the same time, Republicans may swing in upcoming elections (like Dems did regarding terrorism), but I don't see people changing their party affiliation in large number. As for the increased interest in jobs and the economy--high time! These issues were so over-shadowed by fear mongering about terrorism and gay marriage before now (I can't imagine why).

7. Sep 23, 2005

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
Yes, my brother-in-law had his $600 check stuck to his refrigerator for months. It's so nice to see his eight and five year old kids already supporting their parents. What great kids! 8. Sep 23, 2005 ### Ivan Seeking Staff Emeritus Another interesting point: 9. Sep 24, 2005 ### MaxS It didn't change radically. http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ There are numerous statistics that show the exit-polls had FAR FAR FAR higher democratic votes in the past two presidential elections than the official results demonstrated. http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/election-fraud.htm [Broken] In fact there were more voters voting in swing states than the number of eligible voters living in those states. There are simply an insane amount of voting anomalies that have been absolutely downplayed and ignored by the press. Sadly, the democratic election process in this nation has been compromised. Last edited by a moderator: May 2, 2017 10. Sep 24, 2005 ### sid_galt What nonsense! http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1844.cfm [Broken] Besides do you really advocate taking people's money away by force as a means to an end? Bush should be cutting spending and freeing up the market from regulations, not taking more money from the people. Last edited by a moderator: May 2, 2017 11. Sep 25, 2005 ### Ivan Seeking Staff Emeritus PEGGY NOONAN - Wall Street Journal http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/ 12. Sep 25, 2005 ### Gokul43201 Staff Emeritus Peegy Noonan !? Wasn't she papa's speechwriter (and Reagan's before that) ? Why, I remember her singing the praises on GW on Scarborough Country Good, for her, I guess ! That's just sickeningly unbelievable ! Does someone have a source or an explanation for this ? 13. Sep 25, 2005 ### Ivan Seeking Staff Emeritus He said it again this morning on Meet the Press. :rofl: He also said that in his darkest moments, he imagines "Bush as some kind of Manchurian Candidate who takes all of his best ideas and ruins them". :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: This is just too strange after listening to all of his excuses made for Bush for five years. 14. Sep 25, 2005 ### SOS2008 Here's another quote from that link: We never hear this one in PF do we? 15. Sep 25, 2005 ### faust9 Yeah, replace Kerry with Clinton and you have the typical apologist response... 16. Sep 25, 2005 ### MaxS Russ's world is collapsing. 17. Sep 25, 2005 ### Gokul43201 Staff Emeritus Sadly, Russ is only a fiscal conservative...and is almost a social lefty. Too bad Bush is just the opposite. There's someone else here that's a real social conservative...can't recall who...only remember he wasn't accepting applications from "women of the left". Last edited: Sep 25, 2005 18. Sep 26, 2005 ### Astronuc Staff Emeritus As for a bridge to nowhere - http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/09/bridges/index_np.html [Broken] http://www.taxpayer.net/Transportation/gravinabridge.htm [Broken] Rep. Don Young (R-AK) is trying to sell America's taxpayers a$315 million "bridge to nowhere" in rural Alaska. As Chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, he is in a very good position to get his way. But Rep. Young should be stopped from using his political clout to force federal taxpayers to pay for a bridge that is ridiculous in its scope, unjustified on its merits, and far too expensive for taxpayers to swallow at a time of record federal deficits.

If Rep. Young succeeds, tiny Ketchikan, Alaska, a town with less than 8,000 residents (about 13,000 if the entire county is included) will receive hundreds of millions of federal dollars to build a bridge to Gravina Island (population: 50). This bridge will be nearly as long as the Golden Gate Bridge and taller than the Brooklyn Bridge.
- but isn't that the duty of the president? Checks and balances?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081000223.html
:rofl:
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http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reauthorization/index.htm

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You mean Homeland Security doesn't have one? On what are they spending those \$ billions? Why do we need HS?
Seems to be a slippery slope.

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19. Sep 26, 2005

### pattylou

Which is why one might wonder why Russ supports the man!

20. Sep 26, 2005

### pattylou

I certainly do!!

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