# Evo I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no sens

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#### Delawarelife

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#### rootX

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

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Read them again if you have.

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#### humanino

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

This is a quality forum, and you are only achieving one thing : loosing moderators' time. Please stop, that is useless. Ultimately they could take legal action against your behavior.

#### AUMathTutor

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

If I wanted to discuss, say, the ethical implications of censorship/forum control/etc. of moderators/administrators on internet discussion boards/forums, which of the following places would be the best to start such a discussion?
- General discussion
- Forum feedback
- Philosophy
- other?

#### humanino

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

Create your own forum. There are people enjoying the quality of this forum enough to pay for it.

#### Cyrus

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

I'd make my own forum, but it would be so awesome the entire internet would shut down worldwide. No one would be allowed to join my forum either. You get an email that says your request for membership has been denied. I changed my mind. Everyone in the world except pengwunio could join.

#### russ_watters

Mentor
Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

If I wanted to discuss, say, the ethical implications of censorship/forum control/etc. of moderators/administrators on internet discussion boards/forums, which of the following places would be the best to start such a discussion?
- General discussion
- Forum feedback
- Philosophy
- other?
A generic discussion of the concepts of freedom of speech and censorship on the internet would probably best fit the politics forum.

#### AUMathTutor

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

That's a little hostile, humanino. I asked a simple question, and was looking for a simple answer. I do not feel that the topic I propose is so inappropriate as to be banned from discussion on this website. Do you feel that way?

Perhaps I'm being overly defensive, and you didn't mean to offend. In which case, let me rephrase my question: of all of the places to put such a post in Physics Forums, which one would be most appropriate and why? I, personally, am leaning towards the philosophy subforum, but there are arguments to be made for others, I'm sure.

Ah, yes. I see you're a PF contributor. I understand that entails a $15 donation to the forums? Well, that's for one year. I guess you get a discount for 5 years, that's onl$50. Well, at least it's money well spent.

#### AUMathTutor

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

"A generic discussion of the concepts of freedom of speech and censorship on the internet would probably best fit the politics forum."

Really? I wasn't aware that "freedom of speech" applied in a private setting. This is, ostensibly, a private setting, yes? I'm not really concerned in talking about laws, or acts of congress, or anything of that nature, but more fundamental questions, such as: is it right to operate a discussion forum where entirely free expression is not allowed? what are the ethical implications of limiting human autonomy in a purportedly justifiable manner? are there any limits to the contracts embodied in forum rules, limits which are fundamental and irrespective of the actual wording of the rules, such as has been found of other contracts in courts of law? etc.

The more I think about it to myself, I think I'll post it to the philosophy forum, once I've had a chance to really think through my main points. Thanks for your help, though. Well, except for Cyrus. While I'm flattered that you wouldn't ban me from your forums, I must say you didn't really address my post. Ars gratia artis, much?

#### russ_watters

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Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

"A generic discussion of the concepts of freedom of speech and censorship on the internet would probably best fit the politics forum."

Really? I wasn't aware that "freedom of speech" applied in a private setting. This is, ostensibly, a private setting, yes? I'm not really concerned in talking about laws, or acts of congress, or anything of that nature, but more fundamental questions, such as: is it right to operate a discussion forum where entirely free expression is not allowed? what are the ethical implications of limiting human autonomy in a purportedly justifiable manner? are there any limits to the contracts embodied in forum rules, limits which are fundamental and irrespective of the actual wording of the rules, such as has been found of other contracts in courts of law? etc.

The more I think about it to myself, I think I'll post it to the philosophy forum, once I've had a chance to really think through my main points.
Fair enough. Either way, it really isn't a very complicated issue.

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#### rootX

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

That's a little hostile, humanino. I asked a simple question, and was looking for a simple answer. I do not feel that the topic I propose is so inappropriate as to be banned from discussion on this website. Do you feel that way?

Perhaps I'm being overly defensive, and you didn't mean to offend. In which case, let me rephrase my question: of all of the places to put such a post in Physics Forums, which one would be most appropriate and why? I, personally, am leaning towards the philosophy subforum, but there are arguments to be made for others, I'm sure.

Ah, yes. I see you're a PF contributor. I understand that entails a $15 donation to the forums? Well, that's for one year. I guess you get a discount for 5 years, that's onl$50. Well, at least it's money well spent.
I don't know what you are talking about.

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If one doesn't agree to that, one shouldn't have accepted the rules when he registered. Most forums have certain rules and they ask you to accept them when you register. If you think those rules are not acceptable then simply don't register.

#### Cyrus

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

"A generic discussion of the concepts of freedom of speech and censorship on the internet would probably best fit the politics forum."

Really? I wasn't aware that "freedom of speech" applied in a private setting. This is, ostensibly, a private setting, yes? I'm not really concerned in talking about laws, or acts of congress, or anything of that nature, but more fundamental questions, such as: is it right to operate a discussion forum where entirely free expression is not allowed? what are the ethical implications of limiting human autonomy in a purportedly justifiable manner? are there any limits to the contracts embodied in forum rules, limits which are fundamental and irrespective of the actual wording of the rules, such as has been found of other contracts in courts of law? etc.

The more I think about it to myself, I think I'll post it to the philosophy forum, once I've had a chance to really think through my main points. Thanks for your help, though. Well, except for Cyrus. While I'm flattered that you wouldn't ban me from your forums, I must say you didn't really address my post. Ars gratia artis, much?
What did I do? I didn't ban you from my best forum in the universe that will simultanously shut down the inter-webs.

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#### Delawarelife

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

This is a quality forum, and you are only achieving one thing : loosing moderators' time. Please stop, that is useless. Ultimately they could take legal action against your behavior.
that's not very friendly for " a visitor that returns.."

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#### AUMathTutor

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

I don't know what you are talking about.

If one doesn't agree to that, one shouldn't have accepted the rules when he registered. Most forums have certain rules and they ask you to accept them when you register. If you think those rules are not acceptable then simply don't register.
Ah, but that's just what I'm talking about, rootX! You've hit right on it. Here are some questions that I would like to find answers to:
(1) Should you have a legal right to make such rules?
(2) Should you have a moral right to make such rules?
(3) Do forum members have an obligation to follow any and all rules, even if they agree to them?
(4) If not, why not, and where does one draw the line?
(5) Why draw the line there, and not elsewhere?
(6) Are there other solutions to the problem, other than making sets of arbitrary rules*?
etc.

* I do not mean to demean the rules in any way. The rules actually acknowledge that they are arbitrary, and it would therefore be a misrepresentation on my part to say that they weren't. Quoting: "The owners and mentors of Physics Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."

#### bp_psy

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

Wt...?!

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#### Delawarelife

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

Ah, but that's just what I'm talking about, rootX! You've hit right on it. Here are some questions that I would like to find answers to:
(1) Should you have a legal right to make such rules?
(2) Should you have a moral right to make such rules?
(3) Do forum members have an obligation to follow any and all rules, even if they agree to them?
(4) If not, why not, and where does one draw the line?
(5) Why draw the line there, and not elsewhere?
(6) Are there other solutions to the problem, other than making sets of arbitrary rules*?
etc.

* I do not mean to demean the rules in any way. The rules actually acknowledge that they are arbitrary, and it would therefore be a misrepresentation on my part to say that they weren't. Quoting: "The owners and mentors of Physics Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."

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#### AUMathTutor

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

I like how he talks about "reasonable" restrictions of speech on the internet. A lot of people have found some pretty wonderful and terrible things "reasonable".

I find it interesting how often "reasonable" decisions are not based on "reason", per se, but personal agendas, emotional response, practical necessity, etc.

#### humanino

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

That's a little hostile, humanino. I asked a simple question, and was looking for a simple answer. I do not feel that the topic I propose is so inappropriate as to be banned from discussion on this website. Do you feel that way?
That could have been interpreted as hostile. rootX has stated my simple point. Once one has signed an agreement on rules which have proven efficient to maintain such a high quality forum, it becomes difficult to deny the agreement. I would not ban discussion of the rules altogether, but the careful respect is on the side questioning the rules they have already agreed are reasonable.

#### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
Gold Member
Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

You can be certain that the rules were not assigned arbitrarily. A lot of smart and dedicated people have worked very hard for years to develop a set of guidelines that promote the best and most useful discussions. Imo, while we do continue to evolve, the logic behind each rule is rock solid.

And, trust me, we have had some very heated discussions about how to handle many difficult issues. But in the end we always reach a consensus and take appropriate actions.

#### Pythagorean

Gold Member
Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

have we cured cancer?

#### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
Gold Member
Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

have we cured cancer?

#### AUMathTutor

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

I would argue that not all contracts are necessarily binding, even if they're signed in full good faith. There are other factors that must be considered... first, nearly all forums have similar rules. Should a person not speak at all? Buy your own forum, some say. But not everyone has the time, money, or desire to own and run their own forum. Clearly, compromise must be made, but how much compromise? I'm not sure I have answers to these questions.

I would further argue that ultimately the only rule which applies at the end of the day is the personal and arbitrary judgment of the "powers that be". Refer to the passage I quoted earlier. If this does not say that the rules are essentially arbitrary, perhaps you can explain some different meaning? What is one to make of phrases such as "any reason". They may as well have appended "no reason at all".

#### TheStatutoryApe

Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

If you are interested in seeing a website where there are very very few rules it does exist. You can pretty much say anything or post anything unless it is illegal such as child pornography. Please go check it out and come back and let us know if you think PF should be like that site. I wont link it or anything. You might be able to find it by its most common description "the ***hole of the internet". Also be careful for the viruses, worms, and child pornography (yes people post it anyway... and often).

#### cristo

Staff Emeritus
Re: Evo...I deleted the posts. And this has run it's course. The thread is making no

This thread starts with a banned topic, then diverges on a complete tangent. There have been several threads in the past regarding the PF rules, so I suggest all interested parties search for those.

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