Exact equations. first order DE. finding f (x,y)

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In summary: Remember, as a scientist, it's important to always be curious and open-minded about different approaches and methods. Keep up the good work! In summary, the conversation discusses different methods for solving exact equations, specifically using the notations M and N for partial derivatives. The student shares their method of integrating both M and N and matching similar values, which they believe to be just as valid as their professor's method. The professor deducts points and does not provide specific examples, but the student plans to discuss this further with the professor. Ultimately, both methods are valid and what matters is understanding the concept and arriving at the correct solution.
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I go to a community college. So my professor taught us exact equations: how to test it and how to solve them. I want the forum to give me examples of a exact DE that my professor is talking about, reinforce her or my idea or method, or explain to me if I truly am wrong.

We used M and N for ∂f/∂x and ∂f/∂y, respectively. (it is completely arbitrary)

She taught us that we must integrate either M or N and the constant of integration will be g(x).

To find g(x), we must integrate g(x) prime. and g(x) prime is simply the other M or N not already integrated.

The way I see it, M and N will be integrated either way. So is it not possible to simply integrate both M and N and match the similar values.

For example:
Given the exact equation: (2xy)dx+(x^2)dy=0

Her solution:
∂f/∂x = 2xy
and
∂f/∂y = x^2

(first one) f = (x^2)y + g(x)
with g(x) = ∫x^2 dy
therefore: f = (x^2)y + c (a constant)

My solution (line by line):
∂f/∂x = 2xy
∂f/∂y= x^2
(they were side by side)

(next line)
f(x,y)= (x^2)y + c(y)
f(x,y)= (x^2)y + c(x)
(also side by side on same line)

final answer: (x^2)y + c
(I rewrote the constant as c sub 1)

Same answer. Same idea in the process (integrate both M and N). Same solution. Different method.

This was a test question. She deducted points because she said I didn't show work. She also wrote that c(x)=c(y) is false, which after I talked to her she admitted it was correct but stated that "there are many problems that you will run into trouble with if you don't do it my way." I stated that she does integrate both M and N regardless of which method, she said I was wrong.

She said she couldn't give me a specific example because other students were waiting to ask questions. I will make an appointment with her later this week to take her up on that offer.

I noticed this method during lecture when she was lecturing ever so slowly to allow people to catch up and learn. I used this method of matching the same function integrated with different variables in my LONG, weekend-killer homework and no answer was wrong because of the process.

P.S. Sorry for sounding like a butt, but I believe I am correct and I am, for the most part, a humble person. not as obnoxious or rebellious as this post seems to look like.
 
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I can understand your frustration with the deducting of points and the lack of specific examples from your professor. However, I believe your approach to solving the exact equation is valid as well.

In my opinion, both methods are essentially the same, just using different notations. Your method of integrating both M and N and then matching the similar values is a perfectly acceptable approach. It may even be more efficient in some cases.

I would suggest discussing this with your professor during your appointment and perhaps showing her some examples where your method worked just as well. It's important to have open discussions and debates in the scientific community, as it helps us to improve and refine our methods.

But ultimately, what matters is that you understand the concept and are able to solve the equations correctly. Whether you use your method or your professor's method, as long as you get the correct solution, it shouldn't matter.

I hope this helps and good luck with your studies!
 

FAQ: Exact equations. first order DE. finding f (x,y)

What is an exact equation?

An exact equation is a type of first order differential equation where the derivative of the dependent variable can be expressed as a function of both the independent variable and the dependent variable itself.

How do you determine if an equation is exact?

To determine if an equation is exact, you can use the method of checking for exactness. This involves taking the partial derivative of the equation with respect to the dependent variable and the independent variable, and then checking if they are equal. If they are equal, the equation is exact.

What is the process for solving an exact equation?

The process for solving an exact equation involves using the method of separation of variables. This involves separating the equation into two parts, one with only the dependent variable and its derivative, and the other with only the independent variable. Then, you can integrate both parts and solve for the original equation.

Can you provide an example of solving an exact equation?

Yes, for example, the equation dy/dx = 2x + 3y can be solved by first separating it into two parts: dy = (2x + 3y)dx. Then, integrating both sides gives us y = x^2 + 3xy + C, where C is the constant of integration. Finally, we can solve for y by substituting in initial conditions or using other methods.

What is the purpose of finding f(x,y) in an exact equation?

Finding f(x,y) in an exact equation allows us to express the solution in an implicit form, where the dependent variable is a function of the independent variable. This can be useful in some cases where it is difficult to solve for y explicitly.

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