# Expectation value proof

1. Sep 24, 2007

### Warr

I am trying to show that

$$\frac{d}{dt}<x^2>=\frac{1}{m}(<xp>+<px>)$$.................(1)

With the wavefunction $$\Psi$$ being both normalized to unity and square integrable

Here is what I tried...

$$<xp> = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{\Psi}^*xp{\Psi}dx$$

$$<px> = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{\Psi}^*px{\Psi}dx=\frac{\hbar}{i}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{\Psi}^*\frac{\partial}{{\partial}x}(x{\Psi})dx=\frac{\hbar}{i}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{\Psi}^*({\Psi}+x\frac{{\partial}{\Psi}}{{\partial}x})dx=\frac{\hbar}{i}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{\Psi}^*{\Psi}dx+\frac{\hbar}{i}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{\Psi}^*x\frac{{\partial}{\Psi}}{{\partial}x}dx$$

from here the first part in the addition reduces to $$\frac{\hbar}{i}$$ since the integral reduces to 1 for a normalized wavefunction. The second part is just the integral for <xp>, so I'll just reduce it to that for now...

$$<px>=\frac{\hbar}{i}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{\Psi}^*{\Psi}dx+\frac{\hbar}{i}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{\Psi}^*x\frac{{\partial}{\Psi}}{{\partial}x}dx =\frac{\hbar}{i}+<xp>$$

so now we have

$$\frac{1}{m}(<xp>+<px>) = \frac{\hbar}{im}+\frac{2}{m}<xp>$$............(2)

Looking at the left side of of equation (1) now

$$\frac{\partial}{{\partial}t}<x^2>=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{{\partial}}{{\partial}t}(\Psi^*x^2{\Psi})dx=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}x^2\frac{{\partial}}{{\partial}t}(\Psi^*{\Psi})dx+\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\Psi^*\frac{d}{dt}(x^2){\Psi}dx$$

now.. I don't know if I can even do this: $$\frac{d}{dt}x^2=2x\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{2}{m}xp$$

assuming I could, that reduces the second integral to $$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\Psi^*\frac{d}{dt}(x^2){\Psi}dx=\frac{2}{m}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\Psi^*xp{\Psi}dx=\frac{2}{m}<xp>$$

subbing into the LS and RS of equation (1) gives

$$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}x^2\frac{{\partial}}{{\partial}t}(\Psi^*{\Psi})dx + \frac{2}{m}<xp> = \frac{\hbar}{im} + \frac{2}{m}<xp>$$

the same terms on each side cancel leaving me to show

$$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}x^2\frac{{\partial}}{{\partial}t}(\Psi^*{\Psi})dx = \frac{\hbar}{im}$$

The inner derivative of this equation can be expanded to

$$\frac{{\partial}}{{\partial}t}(\Psi^*{\Psi})=\Psi^*\frac{{\partial\Psi}}{{\partial}t}+\frac{{\partial}\Psi^*}{{\partial}t}\Psi$$

From Shroedinger's eq'n we know

$$\frac{{\partial}\Psi}{{\partial}t}=\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\frac{{\partial}^2\Psi}{{\partial}x^2}-\frac{i}{\hbar}V\Psi$$

$$\frac{{\partial}\Psi^*}{{\partial}t}=-(\frac{i\hbar}{2m}\frac{{\partial}^2\Psi^*}{{\partial}x^2}-\frac{i}{\hbar}V\Psi^*)$$

we then find that

$$\Psi^*\frac{{\partial\Psi}}{{\partial}t}+\frac{{\partial}\Psi^*}{{\partial}t}\Psi=\frac{i\hbar}{2m}(\Psi^*\frac{{\partial^2\Psi}}{{\partial}x^2}-\frac{{\partial^2}\Psi^*}{{\partial}x^2}\Psi)=\frac{\partial}{{\partial}x}(\frac{i\hbar}{2m}(\Psi^*\frac{{\partial\Psi}}{{\partial}x}-\frac{{\partial}\Psi^*}{{\partial}x}\Psi))$$

From here I don't know where I'm going..seems like kind of a dead end..

2. Sep 25, 2007

### dextercioby

I'll give you a hint. Work in the Heisenberg representation. No integrations, just operator equalities (surely, assuming a common dense domain for the operators and a specific form of the Hamiltonian).

3. Sep 25, 2007

### Warr

I don't really know anything about 'Heisenberg representation'...this is homework too, so it would probably be pointless to figure out since we aren't expected to know it.

Last edited: Sep 25, 2007
4. Sep 26, 2007

### Avodyne

No, you can't; x doesn't depend on t, it's just an integration variable.

$${\partial\over\partial t}\langle x^2\rangle=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left[{\partial\Psi^*\over\partial t}x^2\Psi+\Psi^*x^2{\partial\Psi\over\partial t}\right]dx$$
Then use the Schrodinger equation and it's complex conjugate. Then do some integrations by parts to try to get it to look like your integral expression for $$\langle(xp+px)\rangle$$