How is all knowledge attained through a priori processes?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the existence of a posteriori knowledge and the role of thinking and processing in acquiring knowledge. The speakers also touch on the concept of solipsism and the limitations of language and symbol systems in representing knowledge. Ultimately, they agree that knowledge begins in experience and can only be attained through direct experience.
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A posteriori does not exist as memory is a thought process. You cannot communicate or even remember anything without thinking first and so therefore the only method of knowledge and understanding must be a priori.

You cannot claim that a car is green or you have just gone to the toilet as you have had to process the concept of a red car and going to the toilet before you can realize that you have experienced these. Of course you can claim that a posteriori knowledge and a priori knowledge are merely distinctions between inference and fact, but by definition posteriori can only exist if we happen to be omnipotent and do not require physical processes in order to perceive and remember.

You can claim that we are sentient and that is supernatural enough, however if you were to perform experiments on your brain, you would seee that your sentient self is affected. This implies that despite the fact you are sentient, you are still under the dictate of physical processes, a posteriori does not exist and a priori is the process in which all knowledge is attained.


Examples.

You are currently perceiving a red flower. If you were to sever your optic nerves you would stop perceiving a red flower, this is because a process was involved that involved processing the image and realising that it is a red flower.

The examples can get even simpler.

You claim that the activation of a nerve next to a part of the brainthat will make you perceive something is a posteriori as the processes involved are so simple that they cannot possible be a priori. You infer that you are perceiving something, the detection of this sensation is a priori.


Of course you can also claim that everything is a posteriori as the 'circuits' that define our brains are themselves 'sensing' each other directly, though again, by definition no matter how simple the mathematics involved in perception and thought all knowledge must be a priori.
 
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...Also known as the Rubicon of Solipsism. How one deals with that bridge defines how one deals with everything. Cattell had some words to say about this, but I don't think his answer was internally consistent.

  • Accordingly, let us turn to epistemology, the branch of our
    philosophy which deals with the nature of our knowing (and the
    related ontology, which deals with the nature of being). Here the
    first Rubicon to be crossed is that of _Solipsism_, which developed
    from Berkeley. If waking experience and dream cannot be
    distinguished, the whole universe could be a dream by one man (an
    extremely ingenious man). There is no logical way of crossing the
    obstacle of Solipsism; and it must surely be set aside, ultimately,
    by probability, and the privileged position reasoning has always
    given to the _simplest_ explanation. After absolute Solipsism, we
    meet the objection which Hume developed that we can never "know" the
    external world directly: that our sensations are different from what
    causes them. This does not bother the scientist, who is happy to
    manipulate the external world by a model of well-fitting referents or
    symbols. Our experinces of, say, red and green, are different from
    the vibrations which cause them; but from indirect evidence we know
    there is a constancy of reference. What may temporarily worry the
    scientist -- or, at least, slow him up -- is that the range of our
    senses obviously does not correspond to the range of possible
    incoming information. The dog has no color perceptions
    differentiating the red and green wave lengths; and until a
    generation ago, we had no perception of radio waves. But in time
    there is no reason why those sources of information should not be
    translated into our sensory range. Thirdly, we have to consider
    possible limitations in our symbol system for representing what we
    meet. If language were our only system (and, unfortunately for us, at
    the hands of those who demand only "freedom of speech," it _is_ often
    the only syntax and basis of logic), we should be in trouble. But
    science has developed many flexible symbol and syntax systems,
    largely as new branches of mathematics.
 
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Good points, but I don't think Phoenix was arguing for solipsism. I thought he was just agreeing with Aristotle et al that all knowledge begins in experience. This can be true even if solipsism is false.

However it does follow from this that true knowledge must come from direct experience and not from systems of proof, so idealism and solopsism can never be disproved and in some form or other will always be possibly true.
 

What does it mean for experiences to be a priori?

For experiences to be a priori means that they are independent of any empirical evidence or sensory perception. In other words, they are not based on observation or experience, but rather on innate knowledge or reasoning.

How does the concept of a priori experiences relate to the nature vs. nurture debate?

The concept of a priori experiences supports the idea that humans possess innate knowledge and reasoning abilities, rather than all knowledge being solely acquired through experience and learning. This supports the nature side of the nature vs. nurture debate.

Can experiences truly be a priori, or is there always some level of influence from previous experiences?

This is a debated topic among philosophers and scientists. Some argue that there is always some level of influence from previous experiences, while others argue that certain experiences, such as mathematical truths, are truly a priori and not influenced by previous experiences.

What is the role of reason in a priori experiences?

Reason plays a crucial role in a priori experiences, as they are based on innate knowledge and reasoning rather than sensory perception. Reason allows us to make logical deductions and conclusions without the need for external evidence.

How do a priori experiences contribute to our understanding of the world?

A priori experiences help us to understand the world in a deeper and more fundamental way, as they provide us with knowledge that is not dependent on external evidence. They also allow us to make logical deductions and form theories about the world based on innate reasoning abilities.

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