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Extremly mind boggling

  1. Nov 6, 2003 #1
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  4. Nov 7, 2003 #3

    Integral

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    I think this is more suitable for the Debunking forum.
     
  5. Nov 7, 2003 #4

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    Agreed.
     
  6. Nov 7, 2003 #5
    so what u guys are sayin is this isent real or even true?
     
  7. Nov 7, 2003 #6

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    First, after a quick review of the original paper by Dr. Smelyakov -
    http://www.timeofglobalshift.com/Science/AMCC.pdf
    - [this is a lot to read] I did not spot the kind of grandiose predictions made by David Wilcock at the web site.
    Example Wilcock:
    Perhaps they are in there...I will read the paper later when I have more time.

    Next, we find general statements made linked to specific events..notably many earthquakes. Given something as complex as the history of the world, in its full meteorological, seismic, social, economic, cultural, and political splendor, one expects to find quite a few lucky hits; and many other "hits" that may or may not be significant...esp when we can generalize as is done by Wilcocks:
    Well ya and I can imagine about 10,000 other possibilities.

    If I wanted to figure out if there is anything interesting here or not, I would compare and contrast the web site with Smelyakov's paper. I suspect that many differences will be found. Then, if the claims made are consistent with those at the link, I would take a close look at how specific they actually are. This looks much like the typical psychic predictions that are made in retrospect; much like Nostrodamus is interpreted.

    As for the golden section "phi", one can often see a practical reason why these kinds of things happen. In my experience, if one looks closely enough, one finds practical not mystical reasons for these numerical relationships.

    Finally, watch our for the stuff coming from Russia these days. I think the national enquirer has overthrown the mafia for control of Moscow.
     
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  8. Nov 7, 2003 #7

    Ivan Seeking

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    This scientist is way outside of the mainstream and he has a lot to prove. This does not mean that it’s all garbage; perhaps he has discovered some underlying order otherwise missed thus far. But to link human consciousness to such cycles presents a huge problem: How?

    We have no science to explain the effects indicated. This means that not only do we have an extremely complex hypothesis that evades objective evaluation due to the vagueness in its predictive ability, we also require some completely new phenomenon to explain this connection. In a case like this, this stuff can float forever and never be resolved. If this is to be considered credible science, that is, if we are to seriously consider these ideas, we need some specific predictions that can be tested. Unfortunately, I don't see any way this can or will happen. So, in the ten years that we have left before all of space and time collapse into the new age of human consciousness [whatever the hell that means], it seems that there is just enough time to sell lots of books.
     
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    I am particularly not impressed by this following page, that has the heading science, and yet uses the word astrology twice below it. Now I want to stress that I am willing to consider astrology as meaningful, but not very seriously until one of the New Agers can tell me a) what they mean by all those etherial energies they are always talking about and b) how the starts and planets are supposed to affect our lives. I have my own theory: Astrology appears to predict the future because so many people use it to make decisions. Given this, it should be no surprise that people's lives appear to follow a pattern dictated by the stars and planets.
    http://www.timeofglobalshift.com/Science/
     
  10. Nov 8, 2003 #9
    the one thing i just dont understand is that how the hell can "time and space" collapse, isent time endless?...how can time STOP?....and dident einstien state that space and time are opposites...
     
  11. Nov 14, 2003 #10
    I don't think so decibel, I have one word for you space-time. Einstein is the one who united space and time together, correct?
     
  12. Nov 14, 2003 #11

    Ivan Seeking

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    If we had a big cruch, the opposite of a big bang, then space and time would collapse...in a sense. I don't expect this to happen in the next 12 years. In fact, the latest findings with dark energy would indicate that this will never happen - not even in the 12 billion years or so that we once thought.
     
  13. Nov 14, 2003 #12
    but i mean like....say your driving down the highway...and "space-time" collapse....wut would happen?....would time just stop...or what...would ur heart keep going...or would we all die, would we stop aging...i just cant quite understand this issue
     
  14. Nov 14, 2003 #13
    I think that if space-time just "stopped" it would mean that either your travelling at the speed of light, which is an impossibility, or you got sucked into a black hole. In either case you wouldn't wittness anything for time itself would stop and space would shrink infinitely.
     
  15. Nov 15, 2003 #14

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    Decibel, if spacetime collapsed you would cease to be. Neither your past (which is part of spacetime) nor your future, nor your present - or anyone eles's - would exist. No time, no space, no nuthin.
     
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