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Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of bloc

  1. Dec 1, 2008 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    A 0.10 kg flat wooden block is sitting on a vertical massless spring of spring constant 2000 N/m. An identical block is dropped from a height of 1.00 m above the first block. The collision between the two blocks is perfectly inelastic. How far down is the the spring compressed? Neglect air drag and friction in the spring.


    2. Relevant equations

    Conservation of Energy? Energy absorbed by spring = (1/2)(kX^2)


    3. The attempt at a solution

    Do I need to be concerned with potential energy? So far, I set up the equation:

    (1/2)(2000)y2 - (1)(9.8)y + (1)(9.8) = 0 but that didnt give me the correct answer...Im confused as to why!

    Any suggestions would be awesome, thanks in advance...
     
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  3. Dec 1, 2008 #2
    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    ops...
     
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  4. Dec 1, 2008 #3

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    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    When the dropped block collides with the stationary block inelastically, find the combined velocity of the blocks by using law of conservation of linear momentum. Now apply the law conservation of energy to find the compression in the spring.
     
  5. Dec 1, 2008 #4
    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    Where does the 1+x come from? Because of the 1m height?

    Or was that not correct Bright Wang, I saw you removed it...

    Trying out rl.bhat's method now...
     
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  6. Dec 1, 2008 #5
    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    ops I was learning conservation of elastic energy in school today.. we never learned momentum in school so I didn't see that...

    Ok first you find the velocity of the object 2. (the one that falls 1m). It hits object 1perfectly inelastic, so energy is not conserved but momentum always is!

    gh=1/2*v^2
    => 9.8*0.1=1/2*v^2 => v=4.43m/s

    Then P=P' => 0.1*4.43=(0.1+0.1)*V
    V=2.21m/s

    Then use conservation of energy...

    1/2*(M1+M2)*V^2+(M1+M2)gh=1/2*k*x^2
    then find x

    Hope thats right!
     
  7. Dec 1, 2008 #6
    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    Wow that helps out a lot...makes sense:

    I came up with:

    (1/2)(.2)(2.21) + (.2)(9.8)(1m) = (1/2)(2000)x^2

    x = .047m

    That look right to you guys? I really appreciate the fast help!
     
  8. Dec 1, 2008 #7

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    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    What is this (.2)(9.8)(1m) ?
     
  9. Dec 1, 2008 #8
    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    Combined mass of the 2 blocks * Gravity * The height the block is dropped from...

    Or should it not be where the block is dropped from since they are moving as one object now?

    Im thinking thats my potential energy (mgy) ?

    Or instead of 1m I should have x on that side of the equation?
    (1/2)(.2)(2.21) + (.2)(9.8)(x) = (1/2)(2000)x^2

    x=.016m
     
  10. Dec 1, 2008 #9

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    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    Now it makes sense.
     
  11. Dec 1, 2008 #10
    Re: Fairly simple question I guess: How far is spring compressed given k and mass of

    Thanks so much for yalls help...I really appreciate it! It makes sense...

    I was able to most all of my HW and get the correct answers but Im not very sure about this last one I did...(Ya know, if you get bored and want to help) :)

    A block of mass 1.50 kg is attached to one end of a horizontal spring, the other end of which is fixed to a vertical wall. The spring has a stifffness constant of 2000 N/m. The block slides without friction on a horizontal table, set close to the wall. Find the work done by the spring force if the block moves (a) from the equilibrium position till the spring is stretched by 10.0 cm, (b) from this last position till the sring is compressed by 3.00 cm.

    For part A) I said

    (1/2)*(2000)*(-.1m)^2

    Or should I be looking at integrating from 0 to 10 of the Fspring?

    I did it by spring potential = (1/2)(k)(x^2)
     
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