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If these candidates were up for presidency, which one would you want?
She was a slave.pattylou said:Tough call, my first pick was jefferson because he was so bright. But he wouldn't get anything done because the conservatives in the country would be hung up on his affair with his employee/slave (I forget if she was a slave.)
If we could have Jefferson's spirit forever present in the Oval Office, that would be a great thing. It'd be awesome to have him around forever giving the President advice on everything, constantly letting people know exactly WWJD (What Would Jefferson Do?).Pengwuino said:I'll go with Jefferson because he was such a genius.
Although wasteofO2 makes TR sound like an incredibly efficient human being... Jefferson rocks.
TR started out, and ended up ostracized from his own party. He was shoved in the VP slot to make sure he couldn't do anything to ruffle the feathers of the status-quo, and was hated by many Republicans (at least republican politicians) straight on through his presidency. He wasn't ostracized by the Republican voter however, and in every state with a direct primary, beat out Taft. The only reason he wasn't the Republican nominee in 1912 was that relatively few states had a direct primary, and the delegates of said state were chosen by party insiders who were vested in big business interests, which TR promised to further disrupt.loseyourname said:TR got things done, but I don't know if he'd be as effective today as he was back in the day (and even then, he ended up ostracized from his own party), plus he made some questionable moves. His handling of the Philipines after kicking out the Spanish was probably the real low point for me.
Just what we need, another President who says he favors limited government before he gets into office, then totally changes his mind once he's become the President.sid_galt said:I voted for Jefferson. The man had major flaws (e.g. slavery) but his principles of small govt. would have been good for America especially at this point of time.
Jefferson didn't change his mind when he took office in 1800.wasteofo2 said:Just what we need, another President who says he favors limited government before he gets into office, then totally changes his mind once he's become the President.
Maybe, but he did put into practice his beliefs about the govt. when he became president.wasteofo2 said:Lots of the stuff about Jefferson is kinda BS that he propagated himself.
Where in the "small government" dogma does it say you should buy enough land to double the size of your country?sid_galt said:Jefferson didn't change his mind when he took office in 1800.
Maybe, but he did put into practice his beliefs about the govt. when he became president.
He fought for the rights of white farmers in republican states.Smasherman said:I voted for Jefferson because I find his policies to be good. He worked for the rights of all people (I'm not sure about women), not the rich. As for him owning slaves, slave ownership was necessary. He actively tried to remove slavery (making it possible for him not to need slaves, I hope).
I don't have a lot of knowledge on US presidents, so I can't really vote effectively.
Buying land isn't the same as a philosophy of government.wasteofo2 said:Where in the "small government" dogma does it say you should buy enough land to double the size of your country?
I've not really anti-Jefferson, and I hardly think comparing him to modern Republicans was fair of me. I think Jefferson would be a great modern president really, I was just kinda caught up in a TR induced ferver.BobG said:Buying land isn't the same as a philosophy of government.
Besides, that was a very 'small government' move - or at least a 'weak federal government' move. The folks living next to the Mississippi would have seceded if he didn't make the Louisiana Purchase. Considering the Erie Canal was somewhere in the future, that would have also meant the loss of the 'Old Northwest' (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, etc), as well. The main routes of trade for the Mississippi River Valley states would have been through the Canadian territory (St Lawrence River) and the Mississippi River, completely bypassing the United States. It was a smart move (even if somewhat forced) that reduced the chance of having a larger competing nation right next door.
Conservatives would never elect him since he slept with another man.pattylou said:I like Lincoln because he was real. He saw a lot of heartache in his life, and he seemed to try to handle it with honor and integrity.