Exploring the Inconsistencies of Work and Energy on an Infinitely Thick Sheet

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In summary: Where I missing?In summary, my doubt is in the mathematics part. As the force will be contrary to the direction of the field due to the negative charge, the particle will be attracted to the origin, so I assumed that the speed will increase (this is also found in the exercise response). But my calculation shows that the final speed may be less than the initial one.
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Homework Statement
Consider an infinitely thick sheet A positively charged with load density P. Also, consider that the coordinate system is located exactly in the center, with the x axis parallel to the thickness. Given a negative charge that is at X = A / 2 with a velocity V. What will be your velocity when reaching the origin?
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E= Px/e (field inside the blade). , where e=permissiveness electric
Theorem of work and energy
My doubt is in the mathematics part. As the force will be contrary to the direction of the field due to the negative charge, the particle will be attracted to the origin, so I assumed that the speed will increase (this is also found in the exercise response). I then applied an integral for the job formula, from the limits (x = A / 2) to (x = 0):

$$W=\frac{Pqx^2}{2e}-->W=0-\frac{PqA^2}{8e}$$

This result shows that the work is negative, that is, by the energy work theorem, the final speed will be less than the initial one, being inconsistent.

Where I missing?
 
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A13235378 said:
Homework Statement:: Consider an infinitely thick sheet A positively charged with load density P. Also, consider that the coordinate system is located exactly in the center, with the x-axis parallel to the thickness. Given a negative charge that is at X = A / 2 with a velocity V. What will be your velocity when reaching the origin?
Relevant Equations:: E= Px/e (field inside the blade). , where e=permissiveness electric
Theorem of work and energy

Where I missing
Is this the verbatim rendering of the problem statement of this exercise?
Is it about a sheet or a blade ? Infinitely thick ? Or an infinite thick sheet ?
Can you sketch the situation somewhat ?
Thickness is a scalar -- an axis is a vector, so where is the axis ?
Why would there be a field ?
And: why would you reach the origin ?

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BvU said:
Is this the verbatim rendering of the problem statement of this exercise?
Is it about a sheet or a blade ? Infinitely thick ? Or an infinite thick sheet ?
Can you sketch the situation somewhat ?
Thickness is a scalar -- an axis is a vector, so where is the axis ?
Why would there be a field ?
And: why would you reach the origin ?
Sorry for my concordance errors. English is not my native language, so I need to use a translator. I hope the drawing improves what I mean.

Since the plate is positively charged, and we have a negative charge, the particle will be attracted. The field inside has already been given, varying with the distance and having direction on the x axis. The question asks for speed at the origin. My doubt is that the final speed, according to the answer, will be greater than the initial speed. But I ended up finding a slower speed with my calculation. Where am I going wrong?

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A13235378 said:
English is not my native language
OK, we will get there.
I suppose the <...> means that he sheet goes on to infinity.
And the field inside the sheet is indeed ##\rho x/\varepsilon##
So there is a force pulling the negative charge towards ##x = 0##. (Just like with a :wink: spring).
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But I ended up finding a slower speed with my calculation. Where am I going wrong?
That is hard to say: you don't post your work :smile: !
[edit] let me look at post #1 again...

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A13235378 said:
$$W=0-\frac{PqA^2}{8e}$$

This result shows that the work is negative
Does your expression for ##W## come out to be negative if you take into account that ##q## is a negative number?
 
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And don't forget the initial ##v\ \ ## :wink: !
 
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A13235378 said:
Homework Statement:: Consider an infinitely thick sheet A
I suggest you mean an infinite sheet of thickness A.
 

1. What is the "field inside a thick blade"?

The "field inside a thick blade" refers to the electromagnetic field that exists within a thick blade or object made of a conductive material when a current is passed through it. This field is responsible for the flow of electricity and can be measured and manipulated using various techniques.

2. How is the field inside a thick blade different from the field outside?

The field inside a thick blade is different from the field outside because of the thickness and conductivity of the material. The field inside is more concentrated and stronger due to the higher density of charged particles, while the field outside is weaker and more spread out.

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The strength of the field inside a thick blade is affected by several factors, including the thickness and conductivity of the material, the amount of current passing through it, and the shape and size of the blade. The distance from the source of the current also plays a role in the strength of the field.

4. How is the field inside a thick blade measured?

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5. What are some practical applications of studying the field inside a thick blade?

Studying the field inside a thick blade has many practical applications, including in the design and development of electrical devices and systems. It can also be used in industries such as metalworking and welding to ensure proper current flow and to detect any defects or irregularities in the material. Additionally, understanding the field inside a thick blade is crucial in the field of electromagnetics and can aid in the development of new technologies and advancements in the field.

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