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Fields and Subfields

  1. Dec 29, 2004 #1
    I am self studying linear algebra from `Linear Algebra' by Hoffman and Kunze.
    One of exercise Q is:
    Prove that Every subfield F of C contains all rational numbers.

    But doesn't the set {0,1}(with the usual +,-,.) satisfy all conditions to be a field?
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2004
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  3. Dec 29, 2004 #2

    matt grime

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    what's 1+1?
     
  4. Dec 29, 2004 #3

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    As Matt implies, closure under the operations is a requirement.
     
  5. Dec 29, 2004 #4
    EEK!I forgot about 1+1 :(
    to have closure under addn & subtr you need to have Z.
    to have closure under multiplication and division(or existance of x^-1 for all x) you need Q.Therefore All subfields of C should have atleast Q in them.
    Is my proof correct?
     
  6. Dec 29, 2004 #5
    Wait a minute!
    My set can be a field with characteristic 2 (1+1=0).(or is it characteristic 1)
    Which brings me to the next Question.
    P.T. All zero characteristic fields contain Q.
    Any hints how to begin?
    Thanks is advance
     
  7. Dec 29, 2004 #6

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    Yes that's basically correct:

    1 and 0 must be elements (actually Im a little unclera on this is the trivial field technically a subfield of C?) thus any 1+1+1...+1 is also an element so all the natural nunmbers must be elements and by additve inverse all integers must be elements. Any number in Q can be given by n*1/m where n and m are integers (m not equal to zero), by muplicative inverse 1/m must be in the any subfield of C, therefore any subfield of C has Q as a subfield.
     
  8. Dec 29, 2004 #7
    Thanks .but is the charactesitic 1 or 2?
     
  9. Dec 29, 2004 #8
    Please dont give away the whole ans.Just gimme a hint.Thanks anyway
     
  10. Dec 29, 2004 #9

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    Yes, but it's not a subfield of C though is it.

    Just look at the definition of a field with charestic 0.
     
  11. Dec 30, 2004 #10
    True
    Why?
     
  12. Dec 30, 2004 #11

    matt grime

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    because of the prefix sub. If it is a subfield then adding two elements in the subfield must give the same answer as adding them in the field, so if 1+1..+1=0 in the subfield, it equals zero in the field and hence the field has characteristic p for soem prime.


    All fields must contain 0 and 1 and these are distinct (so the set {0} with addition and multiplication isn't a field, jcsd), so all fields of char 0 contain a copy of Q. The proof is the same as for the large field being C. You didn't actually use anything other than it was a field of characteristic zero did you?
     
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  13. Dec 30, 2004 #12
    So {0,1,+,.} is a field with charecteristic 2.But it is not a subfield of C.
    Thanks.
     
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