Fine structure constant

  • #1
help1please
167
0

Homework Statement



e is charge
epsilon is permittivity

Homework Equations



[tex]e^2 = 4\pi \epsilon GM^2[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



This is just a question really because I am a bit confused about something. Was reading up on the fine structure constant and apparently the fine structure constant is

[tex]\alpha = \frac{e^2}{GM^2}[/tex]

I know it is supposed to be dimensionless, but where did epsilon go? Shouldn't it be

[tex]\frac{e^2}{\epsilon GM^2}[/tex]

Or has epsilon been set to 1?
 

Answers and Replies

  • #2
phyzguy
Science Advisor
5,078
2,085
You're completely confused. The fine structure constant does not involve G. Try Google or Wikipedia.
 
  • #3
help1please
167
0
actually it does.

I have been doing reading on it, and apparently

[tex]\frac{\hbar c}{GM^2}[/tex] is called the gravitational fine structure.

[tex]\frac{e^2}{\hbar c}[/tex] is the electromagnetic fine structure

Hence this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_coupling_constant
 
  • #4
help1please
167
0
from the link it says

''αG is to gravitation what the fine-structure constant is to electromagnetism and quantum electrodynamics. The physics literature seldom mentions αG. This may be due to the arbitrariness of the choice among particles to use (whereas α is a function of the elementary charge e, about which there is no debate), and the relatively low precision with which αG can be measured. Unless stated otherwise, αG is here defined in terms of a pair of electrons.''
 
  • #5
help1please
167
0
From the same link, Barrow and Tipler defined

[tex]e^2 / GM^2[/tex] as the a ratio of the fine structure.
 
  • #6
help1please
167
0
So, can anyone please answer my question why epsilon doesn't appear in ratio's?

after all, the charge relationship is

[tex]e^2 = 4 \pi \epsilon GM^2[/tex]

where apparently [tex]GM^2 = \hbar c[/tex] since the ratio [tex]\frac{\hbar c}{GM^2}[/tex] gives the fine structure constant, but so does

[tex]\frac{e^2}{GM^2}[/tex]

but the epsilon seems to disappear... why?
 
  • #7
phyzguy
Science Advisor
5,078
2,085
Perhaps you're confusing the different units for electric charge? When using SI units, the charge q on an electron is measured in coulombs, and the force between two electrons is given by:
[tex]F = \frac{q^2}{4\pi \epsilon_0 r^2}[/tex]
But when using CGS units, which is what you are using when you write the fine structure constant:
[tex]\alpha = \frac{e^2}{\hbar c}[/tex]
, the charge e on an electron is measured in statcoulombs, and the force between two electrons is given by:
[tex]F = \frac{e^2}{r^2}[/tex]
The 4 pi and the epsilon0 have basically been absorbed into redefining the unit of charge. Is this your question?
 
  • #8
help1please
167
0
Perhaps you're confusing the different units for electric charge? When using SI units, the charge q on an electron is measured in coulombs, and the force between two electrons is given by:
[tex]F = \frac{q^2}{4\pi \epsilon_0 r^2}[/tex]
But when using CGS units, which is what you are using when you write the fine structure constant:
[tex]\alpha = \frac{e^2}{\hbar c}[/tex]
, the charge e on an electron is measured in statcoulombs, and the force between two electrons is given by:
[tex]F = \frac{e^2}{r^2}[/tex]
The 4 pi and the epsilon0 have basically been absorbed into redefining the unit of charge. Is this your question?

Maybe it is just the units then used to measure it.
 

Suggested for: Fine structure constant

  • Last Post
Replies
3
Views
586
Replies
2
Views
613
Replies
0
Views
450
  • Last Post
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
460
Replies
3
Views
915
  • Last Post
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • Last Post
Replies
2
Views
761
Replies
2
Views
733
Top