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First off Jesus and everyone eles who was crusafied where nailied

  1. God

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  2. Mind over matter

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  3. stig...what

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  4. a little bit of this a little bit of that

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  1. Apr 22, 2003 #1
    Ok one question, ok a few. First off Jesus and everyone eles who was crusafied where nailied in by the rists and ankles becuase it woudl tear right through the hands. 2nd answer the poll...now
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  3. Apr 23, 2003 #2
    First, I believe they used the nails as was the tradition for such people, whereas the common brace was a rope, I even believe they used a rope and nails. Anyways, as the the poll, I chose Mind over matter because I don't believe there is a God, and even if there was, why would he take away from Jesus' crucifixion by inflicting the same pains on his followers? Stigmata is comparable to the ability of some, in certain states of mind, to alter their skin, even in a design [such as in The Exorcist].
  4. Apr 23, 2003 #3


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    Er... do we actually have any scientific proof of stigmata actually taking place? Just to be sure....
  5. Apr 23, 2003 #4


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    I picked,

    #3. What thee heck is Stigmata?
  6. Apr 23, 2003 #5
    Very little, more or less claims of supernaturally inflicted wounds. I was just assuming it actually did happen. I think it's faked if there is proof, just entertaining the idea of stigmata:smile:
  7. Apr 23, 2003 #6
    oh ya, i tried to answer this one and the forums died on me. i say it has to do with god, but that applies to everything in my opinion. more directly it is a case of mind over matter, so that is what i voted for.
  8. Apr 24, 2003 #7


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    Re: I picked,

    The wounds afflicted on Jesus Christ (holes in the wrists and feet, spear prick in the side, thorn crown marks on the head, and i think 2 more). Supposedly some extremely faithful people recieve them spontaneously. Watch the movie. Its quite good.
  9. Apr 24, 2003 #8
    prety sure it is just one more, the spear to the side.
  10. Apr 25, 2003 #9
    Stigmata only involves the marks on Jesus' hands, feet, side, and brow (in any combination). Some stigmata is said to be visible, which the marks can be seen, and some people claim to have invisible stigmata, in which they bear no outward markings.

    A good site on it is the Catholic Encyclopedia.
  11. Apr 25, 2003 #10
    I would suggest if you were interested in the real thing and I do mean real. Padre Pio.
  12. Apr 26, 2003 #11
    I would be very surprised to find that someone of a diffrent faith who didi not know of this phnemonom got stigmata, that would throw a wrench into the machine...eh
  13. Apr 30, 2003 #12

    some kids have it, so how can t be mind over matter?
    i have researched into stigmata and i can't find a resonable explanation for it.
    there are many young kids who are innocent who gets it.
    it can't be mind over matter.
    maybe the gods did it.
  14. May 3, 2003 #13
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    ok first off a child can make imginary freinds their mind is just as powerful as a full adults so a child who belives so deeply can achive mindover matter, at least on them selves. and when you say innocent do you mean free of "sin"? Because preists get it, it isent suposed to be a punishment it is suposed to be "god working in mysterious ways."
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  16. May 7, 2003 #15


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    either as Alex said, or something a little harder like pouring LSD in the town water supply or something.

    Honestly, I'd love to see some proof on the subject. So far nothing has been offered but heresay and a link to the catholic church. Not evidence by any means.

    And as much as I watch history and science channel, and surf all the science sites I'm sure there would have been something on there by now about stigmata.

    Of course the hand injurys could be from embarrising friction burn so the victim (normally males right?) blames it on god.
  17. May 7, 2003 #16

    of course they could do this but can you?
    i ask you, are you able to make blood pour out from your hands and selected areas?
    i know that kids can have great imagination but why would they want to hurt themselves?
    some of them are not even educated, some from diffrent countries, how and why would they do it?
  18. May 7, 2003 #17
    It's just hysterical effects. People believe this crap, so they subconsciously cause the body to react.
  19. May 8, 2003 #18
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    I know a guy (college buddy) who can increase his heart rate by simply closing his eyes and imagining some shameful situation (according to his words).

    I can't - my imagination is not that strong.
  20. May 9, 2003 #19
    There have been a number of programs on Discovery and TLC lately about stigmata. I didn't know that children have it.
    I was going to say that these people love and identify so strongly with Jesus that they, in empathy, want to share or take some of his suffering from him and that this manifests itself as stigmata and yes it is a form of what used to be called hysteria, the subconscious mind fulfilling their desire to do so. It is not God's punishment nor is it fake. They actually bleed from actual paonful wounds in the bodies including some from the spearwound in the ir side. It may be guilt and/or shame but I can't see how a young child could have that much guilt or shame so I think it's their love for Jesus that causes it.
  21. May 10, 2003 #20
    The power of the mind...
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