First Order Homogeneous ODE

In summary, the student attempted to solve a differential equation with boundary conditions and found that the only solution was for the characteristic polynomial to be r^2-rho=0.
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Homework Statement



Solving the following differential equation with the given boundary conditions:

[tex]\hbar^2 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) = 2mE\psi (x), \ \ \ \ \ \forall \ \hbar^2,\ m,\ E > 0 [/tex]

[tex]\psi(a) = \psi(-a) = 0 [/tex]

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\hbar^2 \frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) = 2mE\psi (x) [/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) = \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi (x) [/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) - \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi (x) = 0 [/tex]

Let

[tex]\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2} = \rho[/tex]

Then

[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi (x) - \rho \psi (x) = 0 [/tex]

The characteristic polynomial for this ODE shall be

[tex]r^2 - \rho = 0 [/tex]

[tex]r^2 = \rho ,\ r_1 = -\sqrt{\rho},\ r_2 = \sqrt{\rho} [/tex]

Therefore

[tex]\psi (x) = c_1e^{r_1 x} + c_2e^{r_2 x} [/tex]

[tex]\psi (x) = c_1^{-\sqrt{\rho} x} + c_2e^{\sqrt{\rho} x} [/tex]

By using the given conditions the only possible solution I can get is

[tex]c_1 = c_2 = 0,\ \psi (x) = 0 [/tex]

As I get to something like

[tex]e^{4 \sqrt{\rho} a} = 1 [/tex]

And since

[tex]\rho,\ a > 0[/tex]

So

[tex]\psi(x) = 0 [/tex]

seems to be the only solution.

Is this it?
 
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The characteristic equation isn't r^2-rho*r=0. It's r^2-rho=0. Where did the second r come from?
 
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I think that the characteristic polynomial will be
[tex]r^2 - \rho = 0[/tex]
rather than
[tex]r^2 - \rho r = 0[/tex]
which kinda makes some difference.
 
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Dick said:
The characteristic equation isn't r^2-rho*r=0. It's r^2-rho=0. Where did the second r come from?

Yeah I kinda saw that too, I've already corrected it and did all the work again and I still got nowhere.
 
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Je m'appelle said:
Yeah I kinda saw that too, I've already corrected it and did all the work again and I still got nowhere.

Yes, I think you are correct that the only solution is psi(x)=0. That looks like Schroedinger's equation with a minus sign missing. If there were an extra minus then you would get sin and cos type solutions and wouldn't be having these problems. Is it a typo?
 
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The equation posted in the op is not a first order homogeneous ODE as claimed in the title.
 
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Dick said:
Yes, I think you are correct that the only solution is psi(x)=0. That looks like Schroedinger's equation with a minus sign missing. If there were an extra minus then you would get sin and cos type solutions and wouldn't be having these problems. Is it a typo?

The differential equation and boundary conditions are typed here exactly as in my assignment, I couldn't tell if there is a 'typo', but if there is it isn't mine. But is [tex]\psi (x) = 0[/tex] acceptable as a solution in terms of a quantum mechanical interpretation for a single particle in a box of length '2a'?

Dickfore said:
The equation posted in the op is not a first order homogeneous ODE as claimed in the title.

Hah, you're right it's a second order, my bad, is there any way to correct that?
 
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How I would look at it. By the physical meaning of the terms as I understand your constant rho is by nature positive. Often it is preferred to keep this evident by defining your parameter as rho2. If it is wanted to indicate a negative coefficient define a constant as -rho2.

If instead your rho were negative, the maths of your equation would be formally almost identical to that for simple harmonic motion. (Only x instead of t, psi instead of x. Meaning changed, maths identical. The usual 1-D QM particle-in-box equation is like that too.) We know pretty well how that behaves.

If instead your rho is positive, the equation is that of bacterial growth. Which is usually given as a 1st order eq. but your 2nd order equation will be true of it too. And we know how that behaves too. Exponential growth. And in exponential growth the population is never zero at any time unless it is zero at all times. Or think of a repulsive force that increases proportionately to the distance to a particle.

So the conclusions mentioned are not so puzzling.
 
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Or, if you look at it as the Schrödinger equation with a minus sign missing, you could also interpret it as the Schrödinger equation for a particle with negative energy E. This would mean that the particle is in a bound state everywhere. Then imposing that the wave function be zero at two different points, means that it must be zero everywhere.

In answer to your question: in QM wavefunction zero is not allowed. Mathematically, there is nothing wrong with the constantly zero function being a solution to the differential equation, but the function does not contain any physical content (e.g. you cannot use it to calculate sensible expectation values) and basically describes the "no particle at all" situation
 

1. What is a first order homogeneous ODE?

A first order homogeneous ODE, or ordinary differential equation, is a type of mathematical equation that relates a function to its derivatives. It is called "homogeneous" because all terms in the equation have the same degree of the dependent variable.

2. What is the general form of a first order homogeneous ODE?

The general form of a first order homogeneous ODE is: dy/dx = f(x,y), where dy/dx represents the derivative of the unknown function y with respect to the independent variable x, and f(x,y) represents a function of both x and y.

3. How is a first order homogeneous ODE solved?

To solve a first order homogeneous ODE, we can use the method of separation of variables. This involves rewriting the equation in terms of differentials, separating the variables on either side of the equation, and then integrating both sides to obtain the general solution.

4. What is the role of initial conditions in solving a first order homogeneous ODE?

The initial conditions are essential in solving a first order homogeneous ODE because they provide the necessary information to determine the unique solution to the equation. These conditions specify the value of the unknown function at a given point or points, which can then be used to find the constants of integration in the general solution.

5. What are some real-world applications of first order homogeneous ODEs?

First order homogeneous ODEs have many applications in science and engineering, including modeling population growth, chemical reactions, and electrical circuits. They are also commonly used in physics to describe the motion of an object under the influence of a constant force, such as in projectile motion or simple harmonic motion.

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