Flow Rate of a Liquid: Calculating Mass & Pressure

In summary, the conversation discusses a mathematical model for determining the change in height of fluid in the second tank when the valve is open, as well as the time constant for the system. The model involves the use of pressure, mass, density, and volume equations, and the time constant is calculated using the formula 1 - e^(-t/T). The original person asking the question has not been online at PF for a long time, so the thread has been closed.
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(a) FIGURE 2 shows two cylindrical tanks interconnected with a pipe
which has a valve that creates a constant resistance to flow of Rf
when fully open. The height of liquid (of density ρ) in the first tank
is hin and the second tank hout. The cross-sectional area of the first
tank is Ain m^2 and the second tank Aout m^2.

The flow rate of liquid through the valve is given by

Q=1/Rf (Pin - Pout)

where

Q = flow rate in m^3 s^-1
Pin = pressure due to hight of liquid in first tank (Pa)
Pout = pressure due to hight of liquid in second tank (Pa)

so my solution
Mass flow in = Mass flow out + accumulation (the change in mass within the tank)
Mass = density (ρ) x volume (V)
V = cross-sectional area (A) of the tank × the height of liquid (h) in the tank

ρiqvi = ρoqvo+accumulation

There is no gain in overall volume within the system.The Accumulation first tank = 0 - ρoqvo = - Q
The Accumulation second tank = ρiqvi - 0 = QSo the mass flow Q out of the first tank though the valve, mass flow into the second tank, is also equal to Q.
ρoqvo = ρiqvi = Aout dρhout/dt = Ain dρhin/dt

As the density and the change in time are the same, we can cancel them out.
Aout hout = Ain hin

so
hout = Ain hin / Aout

I am not sure about the time constant probable 63.3%

Any help will be apreciated
Thanks
 

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1. What is he question ?
2. Use the template, don't erase it. You would have noticed the problem statement misses a problem.
2. You have a differential equation one moment, the next it is gone... ?
 
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Thank you for your reply.

BvU said:
2. Use the template, don't erase it. You would have noticed the problem statement misses a problem.
Sorry for not using the Template I have been informed by the moderator.
BvU said:
1. What is he question ?
Missed that bit off.
Produce a mathematical model of the process to determine the
change in height of fluid in the second tank when the valve is open.
(b) Determine the time constant for the system.

BvU said:
. You have a differential equation one moment, the next it is gone... ?

Aoutδρhout/δt = Ainδρhin/δt
I am not sure after this point. I thought δt and δρ would cancel out, but looking at part (b) I will need δt
 
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I've had a bit of a rethink on how to solve this question!

pressure = force/area
pressure (p) = mg/A

mass = density (ρ) × volume (V)
so
p = ρVg/A


The volume
volume = cross-sectional area (A) of the tank × the hight of the liquid
meaning
p = ρAhg/A

Then we can cancel out (A) giving
p = ρhg

using the equation given Q = 1/Rf (pin - pout)

Q = 1/Rf (ρhing - ρhoutg)

RfQ = ρhing - ρhoutg

hout = (ρhing - RfQ) / ρg

I think this is know correct.
I am still struggling with the time constant. As it is a rise in the second tank we can use

1 - e - (t/T)
Giving use a time constant of 63.2%

Any help is appreciated.
 
  • #5
Hi Topcat

I am stuck in the very same question. Please could I ask how you got on?

Thanks

Jordan
 
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Anthony McKenzie said:
Hi Topcat

I am stuck in the very same question. Please could I ask how you got on?

Thanks

Jordan

Hi Anthony,

Did you manage to submit this answer for part a and was it correct?

Cheers,
PF
 
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The original person asking/discussing the question has not been online at Pf for a long time. This thread has become meaningless. Thread closed.
 

1. What is flow rate of a liquid?

The flow rate of a liquid is the volume of liquid that passes through a given point in a specified amount of time. It is typically measured in units of volume per unit time, such as liters per second or cubic meters per hour.

2. How is flow rate calculated?

The flow rate of a liquid can be calculated by dividing the volume of liquid that passes through a given point by the amount of time it takes for the liquid to pass through. This is represented by the equation: Flow Rate = Volume / Time.

3. What is the relationship between mass and flow rate?

The mass of a liquid is directly proportional to the flow rate. This means that as the flow rate increases, the mass of liquid passing through a given point will also increase. This relationship can be represented by the equation: Mass = Flow Rate x Density.

4. How does pressure affect the flow rate of a liquid?

The pressure of a liquid has a significant impact on its flow rate. In general, an increase in pressure will result in an increase in flow rate, while a decrease in pressure will result in a decrease in flow rate. This is due to the fact that higher pressure can push more liquid through a given point in a shorter amount of time.

5. What are some factors that can affect the flow rate of a liquid?

There are several factors that can affect the flow rate of a liquid, including the viscosity of the liquid, the size and shape of the container, and the presence of any obstacles or restrictions in the flow path. Additionally, changes in temperature, pressure, and the density of the liquid can also impact the flow rate.

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