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This channel cracks me up.

Could they possibly have more people hosting cooking shows that have no background in cooking? :rofl:

Bobby Flay, high school drop out that is dating the producer's daughter. This classless idiot has no place in the cooking world.

Emeril Lagasee. As his former boss at the New Orleans restaurant warned the new restaurant up north he escaped to (since it appeard, IMHO, that his lack of food knowledge and cooking skills were ending his career) that Emeril can't cook, but he loves to shmooze.

Rachel Ray, you've got to be kidding. I'd love to see her prepare a consommé, much less explain what it is. :rofl:

Most of the "food personalities" have no culinary education, have no idea what they're doing, their scripts are handed to them and they plow through what their kitchen assistants have placed on the set along with teleprompters telling them what to do and say. Put in a real kitchen with no assistants or scripts, these people couldn't boil an egg.
 

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Rachel Ray, you've got to be kidding. I'd love to see her prepare a consommé, much less explain what it is. :rofl:
The thing that annoys me about Rachel Ray is that she constantly takes words with three syllables and drops one, making a non-existant two syllable word. It's very annoying! Delicious--->Delis, etc.

I also don't think she could prepare a "consom," either.:biggrin:
 
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The thing that annoys me about Rachel Ray is that she constantly takes words with three syllables and drops one, making a non-existant two syllable word. It's very annoying! Delicious--->Delis, etc.

I also don't think she could prepare a "consom," either.:biggrin:
:rofl: What ever happened to the PBS shows with people that actualy knew how to cook? People are growing up with no clue how to get around in a kitchen and why certain things are necessary and as a result how and why you can and cannot make certain substitutions. They don't understand the basic science behind cooking, and yes, cooking IS science. Do you know why key lime pie isn't a slimy liquid?

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:rofl: People are growing up with no clue how to get around in a kitchen and why certain things are necessary and as a result how and why you can and cannot make certain substitutions.
My friends have a roommate that doesn't understand why people have recipes. He thinks he can just mix anything together and have it taste good. For instance, he made pasta once and said stuff such as, "OK now some onion powder. Oh yeah I'll toss a little wine into the sauce. Awesome, now a couple of tablespoons of cajun seasoning. This is going to be some great pasta sauce!":yuck:
 
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I hate to say it, but Bobby Flay has had his own, very well to do restaurants. I can't stand the guy, but he has the chops to have his own show. Plus he married the hot ADA from Law and Order SVU. Look up his bio on wiki.
 
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You should merge this thread with my thread. I did mention Rachel Ray and said she should work at McDonalds. Heres to cooking with Lidia on PBS!

I remember one episode she was lobster fishing on her boat in the mediterranean with her family. She says, if you dont like kiling things then dont cook lobster. She then smashes its head with a mallet and boils it in a pot. :rofl:
 
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Cyrus, to comment your pic, I must use the words of Borat. "High Five!"
 
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:rofl: What ever happened to the PBS shows with people that actualy knew how to cook? People are growing up with no clue how to get around in a kitchen and why certain things are necessary and as a result how and why you can and cannot make certain substitutions. They don't understand the basic science behind cooking, and yes, cooking IS science. Do you know why key lime pie isn't a slimy liquid?

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One (sometimes) exception is Alton Brown's show. He does explain the science behind cooking, including how brining can transfer water to meats, how to make cookies chewy vs crunchy, etc. If you can get past the hamming and silliness, his shows often have some handy information.

As for the rest of them, I wonder what they could do in a real kitchen with available ingredients. I'd love to have Bobby Flay show up at my door for a "Throwdown" cook-off to prepare hot sauces to see if he's got any chops. Yeah, he's got a line of hot sauces, but regardless of whose name is on the label, I've never found any commercially-produced sauces that could come close to mine in quality (not just heat). There are a lot of compromises that have to be considered in commercial production, and I doubt that Flay has much of a hand in that, aside from go/no-go assessments of the products.

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I hate to say it, but Bobby Flay has had his own, very well to do restaurants. I can't stand the guy, but he has the chops to have his own show.
Owning a chain of restaurants says little about his ability to cook, though. He may make executive decisions about what to add to the menu or delete, and what suppliers to use for meats, vegetable, spices, etc, (though, really, that should be the decision of his restaurant managers who can monitor the suppliers day-by-day) and he may pop in to see what's going on from time to time, but he's not doing the cooking in those restaurants. If you pay attention, it's pretty hard to screw up a steak-house type restaurant.
 
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Bobby Flay, high school drop out that is dating the producer's daughter. This classless idiot has no place in the cooking world.
wha? ok Emeril and Ray are obvious hacks, but Bobby can cook. I've watched many Iron Chef episodes with him and he usually makes and presents some very tempting dishs. He nearly always wins too. His restaurants may not be quality and he might be an ass, but he personally knows his way around food and a kitchen.
 
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wha? ok Emeril and Ray are obvious hacks, but Bobby can cook. I've watched many Iron Chef episodes with him and he usually makes and presents some very tempting dishes. He nearly always wins too. His restaurants may not be quality and he might be an ass, but he personally knows his way around food and a kitchen.
Ok, maybe he can cook, but Morimoto had a conniption when he stood on the cutting board at the end of the Iron Chef challenge.

The question that came up at another food forum is if Flay can cook anything that doesn't have blue corn in it. :biggrin:
 
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Ok, maybe he can cook, but Morimoto had a conniption when he stood on the cutting board at the end of the Iron Chef challenge.

The question that came up at another food forum is if Flay can cook anything that doesn't have blue corn in it. :biggrin:
Yeah I remember that and I agree it was very classless. However, I still think he is head and shoulders above Emeril and Ray. Maybe that doesn't say much :)

I like anthony bourdain though. I love his shows and books!
 
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Yeah I remember that and I agree it was very classless. However, I still think he is head and shoulders above Emeril and Ray. Maybe that doesn't say much :)
I just wish the Japanese Iron Chef hadn't ended, that was some incredible cooking.
 
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I like anthony bourdain though. I love his shows and books!
I love him. I've just found that guy that has the show on bizarre food, but all he does is eat.
 
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I love him. I've just found that guy that has the show on bizarre food, but all he does is eat.
Yeah andrew is great too, very interesting show. Nothing like watching someone eat pig brains with side of salmon ice cream! I tivo it.
 
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I just wish the Japanese Iron Chef hadn't ended, that was some incredible cooking.
That show was amazing, and it was class all the way. The Amuri-kan version has some Japanese guy that does Karate...I somehow find that really offensive, and Im not even Japanese. They dont open their eyes wide and round and say 'hi america' on the Japanese version.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8258118611801394473&q=iron+chef+america&total=50&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 [Broken]

quite different from the US version: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8258118611801394473&q=iron+chef+america&total=50&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 [Broken]

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This channel cracks me up.

Could they possibly have more people hosting cooking shows that have no background in cooking? :rofl:

Bobby Flay, high school drop out that is dating the producer's daughter. This classless idiot has no place in the cooking world.

Emeril Lagasee. As his former boss at the New Orleans restaurant warned the new restaurant up north he escaped to (since it appeard, IMHO, that his lack of food knowledge and cooking skills were ending his career) that Emeril can't cook, but he loves to shmooze.

Rachel Ray, you've got to be kidding. I'd love to see her prepare a consommé, much less explain what it is. :rofl:

Most of the "food personalities" have no culinary education, have no idea what they're doing, their scripts are handed to them and they plow through what their kitchen assistants have placed on the set along with teleprompters telling them what to do and say. Put in a real kitchen with no assistants or scripts, these people couldn't boil an egg.
Giada de Laurentiis, Laura Calder, Anthony Sedlak, Rob Rainford? When Rainford talks about what he's cooking he sounds like Tim Allen talking about tools on Home Improvement, except Home Improvement is supposed to be funny. Sedlak has his cooking show because he won a Food Network contest. It was all about image & personality & being telegenic. They all probably do know a thing or two about cooking (literally) but I would say being telegenic is at least as important. I think I've picked up the formula so maybe I could even have a cooking show. First they make up a theme or anecdote (friends just coming over straight from the gym, hosting some local volunteer firefighters, dishes using nuts & chocolate, etc). Of course 20mins cooking only 3 dishes is hardly enough to cover anything thoroughly & for anyone to learn anything from. It sure isn't a substitute for working through a quality book (not Company's Coming, for example). Anyway they get a recipe (probably) out of a book, make it, tell the viewers how tasty it looks as it's cooking, tell stories about cooking with grandma, then when it's done take 1 bite & enthusiastically tell the viewer how delicious it is, regardless of how it looks or tastes. If someone can do that well enough they can have a cooking show like these other "celebrity chefs", that's about all there is to a cooking show as far as I can tell. As the closing credits roll, the guests tell the host how delicious it is also, in case people were skeptical earlier.

& what about Giada's Weekend Getaways or Rachael Ray's Tasty Travels? I don't know what those shows are even doing on the Food Network. If there were a travel network that's where they would belong. I don't know what I'm suppoosed to get out of watching someone eat on tv; those ones are even more pointless than the ones where people cook something. (Giada is really good lookin though :!!) )

I like the Iron Chefs (original & America) & Throwdown! w/Bobby Flay because they have people who are actually good at what they do, and it's usually worth stealing ideas from them. I also like Heston Blumenthal's In Search for Perfection, since he's actually a chef & his show is all about using molecular gastronomy to perfect 'ordinary' dishes (fish & chips, steak, pizza, etc). Not all the things he does could be done at home but it's still interesting to see what the secret is to perfect fish & chips, for example. The secret is frothy batter almost like whipped cream that has lots of bubbles & structure to make it crispy when it cooks. That's why beer is used but Blumenthal went farther & used a CO2 canister & sprayed his batter into a bowl before dunking the turbot or whatever it was. Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares is good too.
 
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That show was amazing, and it was class all the way. The Amuri-kan version has some Japanese guy that does Karate...I somehow find that really offensive, and Im not even Japanese. They dont open their eyes wide and round and say 'hi america' on the Japanese version.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8258118611801394473&q=iron+chef+america&total=50&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 [Broken]

quite different from the US version: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8258118611801394473&q=iron+chef+america&total=50&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 [Broken]

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You're making me cry cyrus.
 
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Hey look, its bobby flay standing on a cutting board screaming like an idiot. The Iron Chef TORE into him HAHAHAHA. Look at flay all mad he lost, wa wa waa...
 
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I can't even watch the American version, it's nowhere near the class show that the original Japanese was, they shouldn't be allowed to use the name, IMO. It has none of the appeal of the original.
 
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I don't mind Rachel Ray having a show. She's annoying and I can't personally stand watching her (or more accurately, listening to her talk, between her grating voice and overuse of acronyms), but she also is honest enough to make it clear over and again that she's NOT a chef and doesn't consider herself one (not like others who claim to be a chef with no cooking skills...my brother-in-law falls into that category too). She isn't trying to teach people to cook gourmet meals, she's trying to teach people who don't cook just enough to make simple, reasonably nutritious homemade meals. I like that goal. Of course, for those of us who know how to do it, there's not much to get out of the show, but there really are a lot of people who think you need to spend all day cooking to make a homemade meal, and she's showing them that you don't. It's really no different than the stuff they used to cook on the PBS shows.

I thought Emeril did have actual credentials as a chef. Of course, he's mostly a businessman now. You don't have to be good in the kitchen to run a restaurant; afterall, he's not the one doing the cooking when he owns multiple restaurants, he has chefs in each of them who do the actual cooking, and the quality is dependent on what the chefs can do. His shows used to go into more of the theory behind the cooking, but that was years ago. Now that he's made his name, and is clearly aging, he seems to be resting on his laurels. I doubt he could keep up in a real working kitchen anymore...he moves too slow...but that could also be because he slows down for the cameras to see what he's doing.

I have no idea what Bobby Flay does. I've seen his shows and am not terribly impressed.

You can't necessarily judge anyone's cooking ability from those shows though. They have to cater to the audience, and if they have more viewers when they dumb down the show, then that's what they'll do.

The WORST one, though, that makes me queasy to watch, is that Almost Homemade show. :yuck: It's basically, "Take this pre-processed, frozen food out of a box, and add a sprinkle of fresh parsley for garnish and you can fool your friends with no tastebuds into thinking you made it yourself." :yuck: It's the complete opposite of what Rachel Ray is trying to do with her show, which is to get people away from that crap food. It's horrible, it's an entire show about how to take food out of a box and heat it up.
 
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Rachel Ray drives me up the wall. She is just way too happy. :grumpy:

I love Alton Brown. Good Eats the only show that actually teaches you how to cook. Half the time on Emerald or whatever, they tell you the ingredients but not the quantity. :bugeye: Alton is always discrete and straightforward. I also like how he integrates lots of science into his show.
 
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I watched an episode of American Iron Chef the other night. At the beginning Alton Brown was explaining how they had just replaced the regular stove top with a high tech infrared cook top that cooks at a very high heat. Well, the secret ingredient was steak. It was a disaster. Apparently the only heat setting is INFERNO. Everything was burning, apparently there is no way to control the heat. The chefs were being burned by the flames. I guess they should have tried the stovetop before installing it. I won't be surprised if that thing gets yanked.
 
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Is there no normal cooking on US TV? This is crap!! I would love to begin a cooking show around meals that normal people could prepare for their families and could make into family favorites. My grandmother and my mother were wonderful cooks who could make miracles. I try, and sometimes fall short, but still I try.
 
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Is there no normal cooking on US TV? This is crap!! I would love to begin a cooking show around meals that normal people could prepare for their families and could make into family favorites. My grandmother and my mother were wonderful cooks who could make miracles. I try, and sometimes fall short, but still I try.
There is no normal cooking on tv, at least not on the Food Network, they are only into hype, they care more about peppy, perky tv personalities than the cooking. Cooking takes a backseat to what they consider "entertainment". Since I haven't been feeling well, I've been watching tv. It's bad.

The only decent cooking shows seem to be on PBS.
 

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