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Force exerted by a gas

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[SOLVED] Force exerted by a gas

Homework Statement



A sealed cubical container 30.0 cm on a side contains three times Avogadro's number of molecules at a temperature of 23.0°C. Find the force exerted by the gas on one of the walls of the container.

Homework Equations


F=Nm/d(v^2)
P=F/A


The Attempt at a Solution


There always seems to be a missing variable to plug into the equations. Are there any hints that can get me pointed in the correct direction?

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V of one mole of ideal gas=22.4x10^-3m^3
V of container=2.7x10^-5
T=296K
R=8.31j/mol*k
A=.54m^3
n=?
 
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This is what i've done:
V=m(He)/density(He))
m=.004Kg/(6.02x10^-23*3)=2.21x10^-27kg
V(He)=2.21x10^-27kg/1.79x10^-1Kg/m^3=1.23x10^-26m^3

Am i on the correct path? If so, all i need to figure out is how many moles there are, correct? Then i can solve for P.
 
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does this essentially mean there are 3 moles?
 
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any help would be appreciated :)
 
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I'm not sure how to calculate the moles.

I tried V(f)/V(i)=n(f)T(f)/n(i)T(i)

when i solved for n(i) i got .0011mol. But i guess that isn't correct.
 
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I also tried PV=NkT

would N equal 3*(6.02*10^23)?
If so, what i did was P(.027m^3)=1.81*10^24(1.381*10^-23)(296)
i got 2.74*10^5

Then i multiplied that by the area .54 and got 1.47*10^5N, but thats wrong.
 
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argg still lost and confused
 
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Yes 3 times Avogadro's number means there are 3 moles of the gas. You want to use the ideal gas law with the molar constant R. Thus:

[tex] PV = n R T [/tex]

If you work out the pressure you can find the force exerted on one wall.
 
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this is what i've done:
P(.027m^3)=(3mol)(8.31J/mol*K)(296K)

P=2.73*10^5

F=2.73*10^5(.54)=1.47*10^55 N, but that is incorrect. any idea as to what i may be doing wrong.

And thank you for your help.
 
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do i divide 1.47*10^5 by 6, b/c there are 6 sides to the cube?
 
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The question asks for the force on one side, and the 0.54 you've used is the total area of the box.

EDIT: or you could divide your answer by 6.
 
  • #14
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you !!!
I got it :)
<3
 

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