France gets nuclear fusion plant

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4629239.stm

France gets nuclear fusion plant

Commissioner Potocnik attended the meeting in Moscow
France will get to host the project to build a 10bn-euro (£6.6bn) nuclear fusion reactor, in the face of strong competition from Japan.
The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (Iter) will be the most expensive joint scientific project after the International Space Station.

The Iter programme was held up for over 18 months as parties tried to broker a deal between the two rivals.

Nuclear fusion taps energy from reactions like those that heat the Sun.
What is all this nonsense about what 'we' are going to do about new energy sources? What is the most that 'we' are ever going to do--vote for a new 'Energy Czar' to head-up our worldwide Centrally Planned Economy, and then sit back while the Czar establishes 'our' new Energy Policy? What ARE people smoking when they say these things?

I hate to say this total banality, because saying it implies that it is a science, and that it is peopled with scientists who run experiments and push levers and so on, but economics is the only thing that is going to drive 'our' energy policy in the future. There will be other forces that impede our energy policy--like, politics, as well as the naive belief that politicians can master economics for any reason other than providing a voodoo ritual dance at the base of the volcano, complete with promises about next years harvest, but it will have only one driver; the costs of the possible alternatives, including, alternatives that are possible but not developed yet.

We stopped building nukes in the 70s.[*OK; we stopped planning to build new nukes in the 70s; they take a long time to come on line after inception; the pipeline was filled for maybe the better part of the decade of the 80s, while nukes continued to come on line. But, the pipeline pretty much went dry in the late 70s. The lesson is, the pipeline is not going to spring to life soon, even if we changed our Energy policy today.]

Which means, we've also done a good job of strangling our domestic infrastructure for building nukes in the future. Industries do not sit on a shelf waiting for 30 years for that next order, nor can we expect to scale up military propulsion infrastructure as if we were turning on a tap of some kind. 30 years is more than a career in any modern technology.

France has had no such qualms, is and has been civilly nuked to the gills. So, God forbid, when the international consortium of pseudo governmental entities that claim to be building the Next Big Thing in Fusion and actually agree on where to turn over the first shovel of dirt after years of bureacratic political haggling, a nation like France will be in prime shape to make the transition from fission to fusion.

Gee; how DID the frogs keep their nutcase commie crunchies in check?

Hmmmm.

Possibility 1] The crunchies don't give a rat's ass about the environment in France.

Possibility 2] The worldwide ecological/environmental movement was only about keeping nukes from being built in the US.

Head in the sand? How do we explain the facts of a fully nuclear France? Are the French less environmentally aware than the average American?

I'll bet if we sniff, we'll find a different balance of those two competing forces; the driver of economics, and the impediment of politics.


Well, guess which one screwed us over?
 

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Zlex said:
France has had no such qualms, is and has been civilly nuked to the gills. So, God forbid, when the international consortium of pseudo governmental entities that claim to be building the Next Big Thing in Fusion and actually agree on where to turn over the first shovel of dirt after years of bureacratic political haggling, a nation like France will be in prime shape to make the transition from fission to fusion. Gee; how DID the frogs keep their nutcase commie crunchies in check? Hmmmm. Possibility 1] The crunchies don't give a rat's ass about the environment in France. Possibility 2] The worldwide ecological/environmental movement was only about keeping nukes from being built in the US. Head in the sand? How do we explain the facts of a fully nuclear France? Are the French less environmentally aware than the average American? [/QUOTE] Well, maybe nuclear technology is after all not so ecologically unfriendly compared to pumping all the carbon from the carboniferous era back in the atmosphere ? Seriously though, the greens in France are much less represented than in many other European countries. In fact, they are a kind of grassroots movement here, not taken very seriously by most people. I still remember as a boy when I lived in Germany those stickers "Atomenergie nein danke" on the back of many cars. No such thing ever happened in France. Maybe this has to do with the fact that France is not very densely populated, with a lot of green land, so that there's no urge of taking care of the environment, which is pretty ok over here.
 
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Possibility 3: Hippies are a species native only to America.
 
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russ_watters said:
Possibility 3: Hippies are a species native only to America.
You do realize that both Christianity and Buddhism were founded by people considered to be "hippies," right?
 
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You do realize that both Christianity and Buddhism were founded by people considered to be "hippies," right?
Wasn't that founded in America, then ? :rofl:
 
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Manchot said:
You do realize that both Christianity and Buddhism were founded by people considered to be "hippies," right?
I'm not real up on Buddhism, but I've read most of the New Testament and never saw the word "hippie" in it.
:confused: :confused:
 
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sure? http://www.askagintza.com/IRUDIAK/jesus_hippy.gif [Broken]
 
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sure? http://www.askagintza.com/IRUDIAK/jesus_hippy.gif [Broken]
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Oh come on, they only had black and white photos back then :rolleyes:
 
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You do realize that both Christianity and Buddhism were founded by people considered to be "hippies," right?
Yah... that whole homosexuality punishable by death thing is real hippieish

I got a real funny one liner to deliver to the OP after the show though. No one make fun of him for 3 more hours :D
 
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Pengwuino said:
Yah... that whole homosexuality punishable by death thing is real hippieish

I got a real funny one liner to deliver to the OP after the show though. No one make fun of him for 3 more hours :D
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Jesus was against the death penalty.
 
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Pengwuino said:
Yah... that whole homosexuality punishable by death thing is real hippieish
Buddhists punish homosexuality by death?! Man, I am learnin' all kinds of stuff at this site!
 
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LURCH said:
Buddhists punish homosexuality by death?! Man, I am learnin' all kinds of stuff at this site!
Yeah, they do. It's right there in the Koran.

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