Freedom of speech

  1. Most internet sites which allows me and you to post our opinions are moderated to one degree or another. It is apparent that free speech is impossible as there are so many topics on which different people hold different views and it's impossible not to offend. From Julian assange to Islam to abortion and population control - it does not take long for topics on these matters to quickly become locked as many things are deemed offensive. this is a major stumbling block we have in society in general which ensures it's demise rather than improvement as things negatively impacting on society are not allowed to be freely debated therefore preventing corrective action.

    Politically there are certain issues that are being avoided by all main parties. From EU faschist state to the problems of American bullying to the impending Islamic rule of England. All these issues have impacted badly upon the lives of many I know and will only get worse in time, and one of the contributing factors is that we are not free to speak our minds - indeed in this country you can be sacked depending upon political affiliation. Democracy has long been dead and censorship of thought and opinion seeks to keep it that way.

    The world has gone mad. For example, it is not OK to smack your own child as a form of discipline yet it is OK to rip the genitalia off a female baby in a muslim family for the purpose of preventing sexual pleasure in adulthood. I wonder how long until this thread becomes locked. Many issues are inevitably going to offend someone and it would be so much better if freedom of speech was maintained irrespective of what people have to say. Only then can a true reflection of opinion be allowed and positive action with all things considered be accurate.
     
  2. jcsd
  3. As far as freedom of speech, you have complete freedom to put up your own website forum and let people post away without any moderation whatsoever.

    Other peoples sites are like their property. And they have the right to allow you on it and limit what you say on it.

    It is not speech infringement. You are naive and incorrect in your belief that just because you have an internet connection you should be able to post anything you want anywhere you want and that if you can't there is some sort of injustice or infringement on your freedom of speech.
     
  4. Mech_Engineer

    Mech_Engineer 2,299
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    A website is a privately-owned object, and can be controlled as seen fit by the owner. You have the freedom to create your own website and say whatever you want.

    Topics on this forum aren't locked because the moderators are trying to censor, the site is predominantly a science-based forum first. The off-topic sections are provided for user convenience, but have specific guidelines. Follow them, and you won't have a problem. If you want to talk in detail about some of the other topics you mentioned, feel free to find a site which specifically deals with them.
     
  5. I don't get it... what's wrong with establishing standards for a private enterprise, and enforcing those standards? PF wants to educate people about physics, and be a community for its users of all ages. If you want to talk about your personal neurosis, there are doctors for that, friends, or other websites... livejournal for instance if it still exists. :smile:
     

  6. Fair comment. But having forums moderated means forums then become honed to what is acceptable in the view of the moderators. I wish I knew how to make my own website with forums. Sadly I don't. And I think having limits on what one can or cannot say just contributes to the big brother society with thought police around every corner that is being slowly established in most parts of society.
     
  7. Yes, it is speech infringement. Call a cow a cow, for all the justifiable reasons you've cited above.
     
  8. In private your freedom of speech isn't the same as in public.

    In my house, I have a right to dictate what you may or may not discuss. If I don't want you swearing I have a right to tell you not to, and if you do I can throw you out - there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

    Here is a very old report citing a case: http://www.slate.com/id/2079885/
     
  9. DevilsAvocado

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    Maybe you’re missing the main point – PF is mainly about physics. It would be complete impossible to implement and maintain "Freedom of Physics", and get something useful out of that. There’s no 'scientific value' in a crackpot stating; "I can prove that the Earth is flat and 3,000 years old – my paper is soon ready for peer review" ...

    Get it?

    When it comes to GD and P&WA it’s somewhat different, but personally I think that PF Politics and World Affairs Guidelines are much in line with The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (1789), Article 11:
    "The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law."

    And the reason threads gets locked will will be found in "the law".

    One should also remember that PF has an international membership, and what would be 'normal' and harmless to you, could be very offending to a person on the other side of the globe (I know that I have missed that several times when it comes to religion).

    John Stuart Mill’s philosophical work On Liberty (1859) is worth reading for those interested.
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2011
  10. DevilsAvocado

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    I think many Egyptians are experiencing this sensation in this very moment.
     
  11. I know not of what is happening in Egypt at the moment.
     
  12. As of yesterday, massive rioting against the current government, but AFAIK (sorry DA) the main issue are economic, and rightly so! I want to speak, but only after I'm fed and clothed thanks.
     
  13. DevilsAvocado

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    :bugeye: You’re not watching the news (CNN)...?

    No worries, nismar has already 'prepared' a thread for you. :wink:
     
  14. *sniffle* such a good Avocado! Thanks for the good press. :biggrin:
     
  15. Not even sure if I can get CNN in the UK. Perhaps I'll have to dig around the Sky news channels.
     
  16. DevilsAvocado

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    I don’t think the 'subject' matter that much... not for freedom of speech anyway... If you get your head bloody because you open your mouth, you got your head bloody because you opened your mouth... :uhh:

    :biggrin:
     
  17. DevilsAvocado

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    Ha! And BBC has gone on vacation!?!? :grumpy:

    (:rofl:)

    CNN
     
  18. You're right about the bloody head... I've been in the USA for too long... too soft. I guess I'm just very dismayed to see such a strong US and EU ally would suddenly come under such intense pressure.

    I'm not surprised, but I AM also dismayed by the response of the Mubarak govt. Honestly, I'm very torn here... of course the people of Egypt want freedom, but history tells us if they win this fight it's chaos they'll get.

    It seems also, in response to the post you've made as I'm typing this (I'm sloooow), that the Mubarak regime is really roughing up reporters and cracking down on twitter. Today, there are no protests, but they are planned for tomorrow it seems. I guess it's not news unless someone is bleeding from the head, live on video. *jab at the BBC, not you DA*.

    It would be excellent if this led to a change in government, without chaos however...
     
  19. DevilsAvocado

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    Agree, I’m totally ignorant on the "political situation" and what might come... I do know that the "founding fathers" of what you see happening in Afghanistan today, was in jail a couple of years ago, don’t know if they are still alive... If chaos breaks out, and these "founding fathers" get out... well, the Middle East will not be on my list for 'possible vacations'...

    Let’s hope it ends well and democracy survive... Friday will be crucial...
     
  20. Yes, we just have to wait and see.
     
  21. How is PF refusing to post what you want them to "speech infringement"? PF isn't stopping you from doing anything, they are simply choosing what they will or won't put on their web site. Calling that speech infringement is like me calling your failure to buy me a rifle an infringement on my right to bear arms. It's just illogical nonsense.

    Your right to free speech doesn't constitute an obligation on the part of others to use their resources to publish it.
     
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