Proving C12=C21: General Capacitance

In summary: I think you mean that the potential on conductor no. 2 after adding charge Qi to conductor no. 1 is the same as the potential on conductor no. 1 after adding charge Q2 to conductor no. 2. That's not quite the right way to express it because it doesn't say anything about the amount of charge. You would need to say that the potential on conductor no. 2 after adding a charge Q to conductor no. 1 is Q/C where C is the capacitance between conductor no. 2 and conductor no. 1.You are trying to prove that C12 = C21. You start with both conductors uncharged. You add a charge Q1 to conductor
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Homework Statement


Consider a system of N isolated conductors,with arbitrary shape and position.
We specify the charge Qi on the ith conductor for each i.
The capacitance Cij is:
Qi= ΣCijVj, sum over j.
To prove:
Cij = Cji
Hint: Consider how much energy is needed to start with the system uncharged, then add charge Qi to conductor i, and then add charge Qj to conductor j. Then consider starting again with the system uncharged, and performing these operations in the opposite order. That is, add charge jj to conductor j, and then Qi to conductor i. Then think about how to use your answers to prove the desired result.]

Homework Equations


W=QV

The Attempt at a Solution


For N=2,
To show: C12 = C21
No energy is needed to put Q1 on the conductor no.1.
This charge Q1 creates a surface charge density and potential V 2 on the conductor no.2.
To put charge Q2 on the conductor no.2 takes energy Q2V 2.
Similarly, putting Q1 on the conductor no.1 after putting Q2 on the conductor no.2 takes energy Q1V 1.
Is this correct till now? What to do next?
 
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Pushoam said:
No energy is needed to put Q1 on the conductor no.1.
That cannot be true. It will have some potential as soon as you start putting charge on it.
Pushoam said:
To put charge Q2 on the conductor no.2 takes energy Q2V 2.
Similarly, the potential will change as you add charge.
 
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1. How can we prove that C12=C21 in general capacitance?

The equality C12=C21 can be proven by using the formula for general capacitance, which is C = Q/V, where Q is the charge stored in the capacitor and V is the potential difference across the plates. By manipulating this formula and using the fact that Q=C1V1 and Q=C2V2, where C1 and C2 are the capacitances of the individual plates and V1 and V2 are the potential differences across them, we can show that C12=C21.

2. What is the significance of proving C12=C21 in general capacitance?

Proving C12=C21 is significant because it demonstrates the principle of charge conservation in capacitors. This means that the total charge stored in a capacitor is the same regardless of how it is distributed across the plates. It also allows us to simplify calculations in more complex circuits by reducing the number of variables we need to consider.

3. Can this equality be applied to all types of capacitors?

Yes, the equality C12=C21 can be applied to all types of capacitors, as long as they follow the general capacitance formula. This includes parallel plate capacitors, cylindrical capacitors, spherical capacitors, and more.

4. Is there any experimental evidence to support this equality?

Yes, there have been numerous experiments conducted to support the equality C12=C21 in general capacitance. One example is the measurement of charge distribution in a parallel plate capacitor, where the total charge on each plate was found to be equal, regardless of the distribution of charge across the plates.

5. Are there any exceptions to this equality?

In general, there are no exceptions to the equality C12=C21 in capacitance. However, in some cases, where the plates are not perfectly parallel or there are other external factors affecting the charge distribution, there may be slight deviations from this equality. But these deviations are usually negligible and do not significantly affect the overall principle of charge conservation in capacitors.

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